|
|
Post by Malinski on Nov 7, 2017 1:43:32 GMT
@max I agree with what you're saying about how it is hard to relate their constitution to ours, simply because theirs isn't working and is very weak if it is not working. I think that since there is already violence surrounding the whole topic with Catalonia voting for their independence, it could be the ground work for a civil war. Because Spain is not going to let Catalonia just up and leave without putting up a fight, which is understandable from the economic standpoint, but not from the cultural side. I also agree with what you said on that, if Catalonia is obviously showing that they don't want to be a part of Spain, why go through all of the trouble of keeping them in full connections with Spain?
|
|
|
|
Post by Malinski on Nov 7, 2017 1:54:55 GMT
@hinchberger I agree with the fact that Catalonia doesn't really have great justifications for wanting to become independent, especially when less than half of the people participated in the voting to become independent, because it misrepresents the majority of the people. However, I am on Catalonia's side because they are already so independent from Spain, with having their own language and culture. If the people don't feel like they are part of the country that their region belongs to, why not try to become independent, especially if the region doesn't feel like it is and equal part of Spain. Catalonia does have some kinks to work out in their thought process of making their need for independence logical, but overall, if the region is so different from the rest of the country, might as well let them become independent.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fowler on Nov 7, 2017 2:11:06 GMT
Donaldson Catalonia will not be allowed full independence. They might possibly receive more rights as a "state" but not full independence. To achieve this "full independence" they would have to fight and pry it from Spain's cold dead hands. Secondly, the United States should not get involved. It hardly has anything to do with us, and we do not see an infringement on anyone's rights involving this issue. The U.S. could only benefit by stepping in to keep Catalonia in check and back Spain to prevent our states from doing the same. However, this "reward" would not be worth our time and effort.
|
|
|
|
Post by Fowler on Nov 7, 2017 2:18:09 GMT
@hinchberger
Completely agreed, Catalonia has no real justification for wanting independence. The election was hardly legitimate, making no real impact. Furthermore, "feeling different" is not a good enough reason to demand independence. Finally, I do want to clarify that the region of Catalonia has had its own "solid" government within Spain since 1977 granted after becoming a part of Spain. Spain has hardly been oppressive to the Catalan folk, and continue to give them as much independence as the Catalans could hope for.
|
|
|
|
Post by Donaldson on Nov 7, 2017 2:22:19 GMT
@helzlsouer Currently Catalonia is getting a lot of attention from the Spanish government. This is not good attention either, it has strict rule over Catalonia due to their vote for independence. If Catalonia was to gain independence from Spain, then they would have to create a new government and a constitiution. It would end up being like the process of America.
@l.Pierce The benefits of Spain would be slim to none if Catalonia was to actually become independent. Spain itself would lose large amounts of money along with the chance of another region revolting. The only one benefiting would be the people of Catalonia.
|
|
|
|
Post by Shaffer on Nov 7, 2017 3:23:08 GMT
L. Pierce M It’s hard to tell is there will be war between Catalonia and Spain. There are many reasons, one is that there are not any major conflicts at this time. Another is that it’s hard to tell how bad the people of Catalonia really want to leave. @hinchberger I’m in favor of Catalonia because if they leave Spain even if it doesn’t seem very reasonable it will open doors for other territories under rule of greater countries
|
|
|
|
Post by rudish on Nov 7, 2017 4:48:22 GMT
@cole helzlsouer
I think that if Catalonia does indeed become independent they will be able to thrive. Catalans are already so diverse from the rest of Spain they are almost completely independent, and their economy is stable enough to not rely on the Spanish government. That is where the problem arises, this will only be able to happen if they are able to remain independent without troubles from the rest of Spain, which is unlikely.
|
|
|
|
Post by rudish on Nov 7, 2017 4:51:39 GMT
@gilbert
I don’t believe a revolution or war will break out between Spain and Catalonia simply because violence is what they are trying to avoid. Some violence is “needed” to control certain situations or to contain people upraised against the government but a full on war is very unlikely
|
|
|
|
Post by Wilson on Nov 7, 2017 12:18:38 GMT
@gray
I think that this will definitely effect other countries and will create bigger problems across the world because if other countries want to separate from their mothering country, seeing Catalonia leave will give them a boost of motivation or confidence to do the same. However, I don’t think that America would be effected at all. There would be no reason for us to feel repercussions because we had no involvement with it. But, we could be effected if a state or neighboring area would want to leave/join.
|
|
|
|
Post by Wilson on Nov 7, 2017 12:22:34 GMT
@cole
Although the government hasn’t done anything, there is such a language barrier and extremely different culturally and tired of being ruled by Spain.
|
|
