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Post by McDermott on Oct 8, 2017 19:58:23 GMT
@henry Your ending statement is so true. There is no right answer and there will never be a way to end all of this violence. I feel that if we take away guns for good, it will only increase the amount of hatred and violence on one side of the argument. If we choose to only restrict gun rights, a different side of the argument will be outraged. No one will ever truly WIN, really.
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Post by Stoughton on Oct 8, 2017 21:09:05 GMT
duffy You're completely correct in saying that gun violence will never truly go away, but I don't feel any sense of urgency in order to find a solution, whether it be temporary or not. I understand where you're coming from when you say that no criminal will be entirely cut off from obtaining and illegal firearm. There will always be someway around it, however that is how almost everything is. There is no 100% guarantee that this will resolve every single mass shooting to ever happen. The purpose of Gun control and regulations in general is to at least decrease our numbers. Additionally, this is in response to your statement regarding Europe's gun control policy. Europe is not a good example of gun control. Take places like Australia and Japan instead where they have strict gun control laws and virtually no shootings anymore at all. For us it would be hard but not impossible.
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Post by Bell on Oct 8, 2017 21:15:51 GMT
After the devastating shooting that happened in Las Vegas, the topic of “Gun Control” has came up. In the background article, Background of the Issue, the author stated that “The United States has 88.8 guns per 100 people or 270,000,000 guns.” That statement made me think about how many people have guns and buy them for the sole purpose of committing crimes. When a person goes through with buying a gun, they get background checks for any situations that seem out of the ordinary. With the ongoing debate between gun rights and gun control, people start to wonder where the government should intervene. After reading some of my fellow classmates responses, Ayslyn Duffy’s comment saying “The United States government may put as many regulations on weapons as they please. However, this will not stop someone who is determined to own an illegal firearm” made me stand for my argument even more. The government has rules for a specific reason but there are always ways around them. This may happen with people illegally coming into the United States, or in the purchase of an illegal weapon. The government can enforce laws that will prevent the selling of some weapons, but where is the line drawn? With articles stating that they believe the gun used is a semi-automatic, can cause the debate that those types of guns should not be sold. The idea of the semi-automatic guns being sold should be going through more intense background checks seems like a good idea in theory but what else do you test? Should they check if they have criminal pasts? Own any other guns? Mental health? In my opinion it is not the gun that does the killing, it is the person is the one that does the killing. It is a person that thinks about taking this action, the gun does not make the choice for them.
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Post by Bell on Oct 8, 2017 21:22:23 GMT
@mcdermott "Essentially we have two options as a country: take away our gun rights completely and lose our source of protection, or continue to buckle down on gun sales and be more thorough with who we are selling them to." Was a statement that drew me in. I agree with the fact of if you take our guns away we will feel unprotected and bare in a way. I couldn't agree more with knowing who you are selling to. If you are selling someone a weapon you should really know them, not just trust them.
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Post by Stoughton on Oct 8, 2017 21:24:27 GMT
@baker I understand the point you're making and it's a valid one at that. Something I keep noticing on several people's posts is that Gun Control will never completely solve the issue that is gun violence. That's true, however as a country, there needs to be some sort of break in the system in order to prevent future shootings. Like I said before, it will never completely diminish the possibility of gun violence, but it can lessen it. There needs to be something done about the issue even in the slightest form. Otherwise I agree with what you are trying to say.
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Post by Bell on Oct 8, 2017 21:26:23 GMT
@stoughton With your question at the end, it is not that people who support gun right are not "supporting the notion to protect ones you love" its about being able to protect yourself if you are ever in that situation. People can argue that by supporting gun right they are protecting their loved ones.
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Post by Stoughton on Oct 8, 2017 21:30:42 GMT
@mcdermott Thoroughly evaluating someone's mental health is one of the regulations I was thinking about as I typed my original post. Like so many have said, there is no way to be able to track and record every gun ever bought, sold, traded, handed down in the family, etc. but there is still something we can do to decrease the chance of future tragedies such as Las Vegas. Performing mental health evaluations would definitely help with gun control. There are always going to be ways around the system but this could serve as the bare minimum and/or first step to protecting american citizens.
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Post by Weber on Oct 8, 2017 21:38:31 GMT
After the devastating shooting that happened in Las Vegas, the topic of “Gun Control” has came up. In the background article, Background of the Issue, the author stated that “The United States has 88.8 guns per 100 people or 270,000,000 guns.” That statement made me think about how many people have guns and buy them for the sole purpose of committing crimes. When a person goes through with buying a gun, they get background checks for any situations that seem out of the ordinary. With the ongoing debate between gun rights and gun control, people start to wonder where the government should intervene. After reading some of my fellow classmates responses, Ayslyn Duffy’s comment saying “The United States government may put as many regulations on weapons as they please. However, this will not stop someone who is determined to own an illegal firearm” made me stand for my argument even more. The government has rules for a specific reason but there are always ways around them. This may happen with people illegally coming into the United States, or in the purchase of an illegal weapon. The government can enforce laws that will prevent the selling of some weapons, but where is the line drawn? With articles stating that they believe the gun used is a semi-automatic, can cause the debate that those types of guns should not be sold. The idea of the semi-automatic guns being sold should be going through more intense background checks seems like a good idea in theory but what else do you test? Should they check if they have criminal pasts? Own any other guns? Mental health? In my opinion it is not the gun that does the killing, it is the person is the one that does the killing. It is a person that thinks about taking this action, the gun does not make the choice for them. @bell I also agree with people still buying weapons no matter how many regulations are put on them. In my perspective, since it is the people making guns a weapon, the government should take more effect of mental illnesses and improve the ways they check, such as doing more tests than one and creating better technology to do so.
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Post by Weber on Oct 8, 2017 21:55:04 GMT
Whether it be on the news or at your dinner table, the topic of control versus gun rights has been a very talked about subject this past week following the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas last Sunday night. After reading over various articles and brushing up on some knowledge of guns themselves, I can conclude that I fully support gun control in our country. The argument people make against gun control is the fact that no matter how much we restrict, there will always be a way to get a gun in your hand, whether is be legally or illegally. What I say to that is, why not at least make the guns harder to get? We can’t just sit back and say “well anyone can get their hands on a gun anyways so let’s not waste our time”. Why not make things like “bump-stocks” illegal to buy? Politifact states, “To buy a fully automatic rifle, a prospective owner must pay the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms $200 and pass a federal background check that shows no record of domestic violence or felony convictions.” However, one of the Forbes articles provided explains, “ ...Paddock (of the Las Vegas shooting) was probably able to shoot as many people as he did with a semi-automatic that had been converted to an automatic with kits anyone can buy legally online.” This means that automatic rifles are very hard to buy, but all you need to convert a semi-automatic gun to somewhat of an automatic gun is this “kit” known as a bump-stock. Why is it that ANYONE can legally buy these? I believe that bump-stocks should be banned completely. The only roadblock I am having with more control over guns in America, is that fact that our right to protect ourselves from harmful threats is going to be altered. I believe that as Americans we should have a right to bear arms in order to protect our families and communities. In that statement is where our problem lies. Essentially we have two options as a country: take away our gun rights completely and lose our source of protection, or continue to buckle down on gun sales and be more thorough with who we are selling them to. The second option, of course, comes with a bigger chance of tragedies like the mass shooting in Las Vegas. We as Americans can not have the best of both worlds. However, at this point I believe it is best for our country to live with much stricter methods of how guns are sold, who they are sold to, as well as where and when they will be used. I’m aware that this will not clear our society of mass shootings for good, but this will make it much harder for the guns being sold to be put in the wrong hands. @mcdermott I completely agree with your stance with making bump stocks illegal, since after all they do make semi automatics turn into automatics, which is defeating the purpose of making automatics illegal. I did take thought into what you said about making guns "harder to get". As I do see where you are coming from with trying to make less people be able to have one, it does make the Second Amendment become unjust, since only limited people are allowed to have them. People will also try and find ways around it regardless of making it harder to get or not, but again, I do understand and see the point that you are getting across.
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Post by fischer on Oct 8, 2017 22:58:29 GMT
In the recent events of a mass shooting leaving over 500 injured and close to 60 people killed, gun control has become yet again the main topic of discussion. This is a very controversial conversation as to whether we should increase gun control or leave it is it is. Fox news says “Europe has shown, you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won't be able to stop the horrors like this from happening”. I agree with this statement 100%. If people are determined enough they will find other ways to cause destruction and harm people. If that is their intent a simple law won't stop them. Usa today says, “There’s only one way to stop killers from killing: Put them where they can’t get access to a gun, knife, explosives, car or any other lethal weapon. Put them in jail or a secure mental institution”. Now yes in a perfect world you could do that, but in the real world that's completely implausible and unreasonable to even consider. There are no ways of knowing if someone is a killer until they kill. Yes, they can show warning signs, but until the horrible act is executed there is no way. It is reasonable however to do background checks on people to look for those warning signs. As for the rest of the law abiding Americans all that increased gun control laws do is decrease their rights to bear arms.
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Post by fischer on Oct 8, 2017 23:04:25 GMT
pflugh I disagree with your example of a little kid with a cookie. If the kid is determined enough he'll get to the cookie, and if the cookie is out of reach he'll go for the next best thing. Obviously if someone wants to kill someone else badly enough they're going to find a way to carry out that act whether it be from a gun or car or bomb a simple law isn't going to stop them, all its going to do is make it harder for the rest of the law abiding citizens to get guns so they can protect themselves.
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Post by fischer on Oct 8, 2017 23:16:01 GMT
@stoughton I believe your question is very slanted. If I were to answer yes it’s more important to keep the amendment written rather than saving my “loved ones and innocent people” I would sound like a cold and heartless person. I'm not saying I want a bunch of people to die but i'm sure as heck not saying i want my right to defend myself against the insane people who commit these acts tampered with.
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Post by sierranagy on Oct 9, 2017 1:00:23 GMT
There is certainly compelling government interest to attempt to somehow limit the number of gun related crimes, however, increasing the amount of restrictions on guns is not a definite solution. Actually, by adding more gun control, the number of civilian deaths could very well increase, due to their lack of means to protect themselves. How is this possible? Well, laws only apply to those who chose to follow them. Creating more gun laws will not prevent criminals from getting ahold of them. What these laws will do, is make it much harder for those who want to purchase guns legally, potentially discouraging those people from going through the complicated process, causing less citizens to be capable of protecting themselves in public places, or even their own homes, and unfortunately, the police don’t always make it in time. Let’s look at the numbers. Yes, gun ownership rate in the United States is greater than that of any other country, and yes, Americans are twenty five percent more likely to be killed by firearm than in any other developed country, but there’s more to it than that. The majority of these deaths by guns, are performed by illegal firearms, or those who do not belong to the person wielding them. According to a research study done by an epidemiologist named Anthony Fabio in association with the Pittsburgh Bureau of police, 79% of gun crimes were carried out with a firearm that was owned by someone besides the perpetrator. Fabio stated, “All guns start out as legal guns, but a huge number of them move into illegal hands, as a public health person, I’d like to be able to figure out that path.” The government should focus more on enforcing the laws they already have in place regarding acquiring illegal guns, rather than adding more so that criminals can continue to ignore them. In light of recent shootings, unfortunately, the most that can be done to prevent them in the future is to crack down on finding ways to deter these straw purchases in the future, and to increase security everywhere. It is sad to say, but our world is growing more and more violent and airports shouldn’t be one of the only places that security is enforced seriously, and focus should be placed on changing that. Increasing the number of security briefings when entering public places (specifically ones that will be heavily trafficked) although they seem inconvenient and some may dislike the idea because of the time it would take up, inevitably, it would be worthwhile. Not only would there be thousands of new jobs created on U.S soil, but there would be less chance of a tragic massacre such as the Las Vegas, or San Bernardino shootings happening again, and even though some may feel like it is a waste of time or money, human life is priceless. Essentially, the energy of our government should be focused on finding ways to bust illegal gun trade, and increasing national security to protect law abiding citizens from those whom will acquire firearms without regard to any gun control regulations, instead of attempting to add more laws.
Do you think that increasing security is a reasonable response to these shootings versus adding more gun regulations?
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Post by sierranagy on Oct 9, 2017 1:19:00 GMT
@henry I absolutely love your argument. I, being on the opposite side as you,specifically left out the second amendment from my post beings that that right was created at a very different time, and I feel as though if the founding fathers were here today, some of them would attempt to revoke this liberty due to the current state of our nation. However, those who wish to do harm will still find ways to access firearms, and it is unfair to discourage law abiding citizens from gaining the means to protect themselves from these people. It is much too late to stop criminals from acquiring these weapons, so it is only fair that good citizens can have them as well so as to protect themselves and their families.
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Post by campbell on Oct 9, 2017 1:23:23 GMT
Due to public shootings, I feel that the there should be some form of gun control on automatic weapons and sniper rifles. People say " it isn't guns that kill people, people kill people" but if some guns were restricted then a lot more people would still be alive. If we only ban automatic rifles then it shouldn't be a problem because it still gives people the ability to hunt since they use semi automatic rifles. There were 464,033 total gun deaths between 1999 and 2013 and 37.7 percent of them were caused by homicide which is just another name for murder. We will never be able to completely eliminate gun violence but if we regulate sales of the weapons and do background checks on the individuals who are buying the weapons then the amount of deaths in the United States caused by guns would go down tremendously. If we do background checks on the people who are wanting to purchase the guns and ammunition then we should not sell any type of automatic rifle to anyone with a mentally unstable or criminal background. Also, if we ban automatic rifles then criminals would be forced to use a semi automatic gun such as a pistol, then citizens would be able to defend themselves with a pistol so there would be no need for people to own automatic guns. If the government decides to regulate citizens abilities to purchase firearms where should the line be drawn.
Should we still allow citizens to carry semi-automatic rifles. Would banning automatic guns reduce mass shootings?
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