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Post by Caldwell on Oct 6, 2017 20:32:16 GMT
@rachelneely Responding to how the government should control large public events like the Las Vegas concert. The country music concert that was held on October 1 was not the problem and if you have ever been to a concert there are security checks before one is even able to enter into the specific location. What I believe the government is going to do after this horrific event is have security checks at hotels. There has never before been anything to check to make sure that no one coming to stay at a hotel has firearms. I believe because the 64 year old man was shooting from a hotel bedroom window there is now going to be security checks through out hotels. I also believe that people staying at hotels for a one night stand that are maybe just too tired to drive home from a long travel are going to now be questioned.
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Post by duffy on Oct 7, 2017 15:21:25 GMT
@emileyweber I fully agree with your response, especially your point of the person being at fault rather than the gun. We should focus more on the people purchasing firearms rather than the weapon. However, there’s always a risk of people who can pass a background check, but still intend to commit a violent crime. It’s an extremely difficult situation to handle.
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Post by Henry on Oct 7, 2017 15:30:34 GMT
Gun control and gun rights is a very heated debate due to each side feeling very strongly and refusing to back down. Advocates of gun rights often cite the Second Amendment to support their argument, the Washington Post summarizes this amendment as “'a well-regulated Militia' a necessity for a free state and therefore guarantees 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.'” The advocates have the constitution to back up their opinion but they choose to ignore the fact that America today is very different from America in 1787. When the constitution was written citizens used their guns to protect the country and to hunt for food, local militias where men owned and used their own firearms were their equivalent to today's military, making private gun ownership a necessity back then. In today's America however guns are mainly used for recreational purposes, excluding the military, like hunting or target practice, some people even collect guns but never use them, this makes it easy for people with sinister intentions to own a gun without any suspicion. Gun control advocates on the other hand argue that restricting and regulating gun ownership will lessen the number of homicides and mass shootings in America as suggested in the Forbes article. However if a person is intent on using a gun for murder there is no concrete way to stop them, Fox News states, "you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won’t be able to stop horrors like this from happening." That is the sad truth and although making guns less readily available and restricting them sounds like a good plan, the killers will find other ways to acquire guns or will kill in a different manner. Although both sides on this issue believe that they hold the answer, no answer will ever be "correct" and the hated debate will continue.
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Post by Henry on Oct 7, 2017 15:36:34 GMT
pflugh If gun rights were taken away or more controlled I believe that the divide in America would widen. Some people would respond with anger and frustration while others would respond with joy and satisfaction in decision. After that people calling for gun control may feel as if they were "right" and that others were "wrong" but eventually another tragedy will occur and the debate will fire up again with even more vigor.
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Post by Henry on Oct 7, 2017 15:46:54 GMT
duffy I agree with your point that you can not predict disaster and that people can surprise you. In many cases of crime, being small scale or large scale, the perpetrator appeared to be a normal citizen but had abnormal thoughts that they then acted upon. Restricting guns would not deter most criminals from committing a crime, like you said, there are other ways and places to get a weapon like the Black Market that they would turn to.
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Post by Callihan on Oct 7, 2017 16:57:41 GMT
Guns when you think of what guns are you can either think of the outdoor activities such as hunting or you think of a dangerous weapon used to kill innocent people around the world daily. About 33,000 deaths in the united states are related to guns a year and some of these deaths could be prevented by enforcing gun control. Some acts of gun control could be as simple as making people get background checks and making it harder to sell automatic weapons. People could say that this is “an invasion of privacy” and “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”, but really when this could be saving lots of lives(think about if this was your family or friends) this is a little simple step in preventing such tragedies.In USA Today it states “Smart policy could make it harder for unstable killers to acquire and use firearms.”It’s not about taking away all of our rights it’s just about being smarter with what we have and unfortunately we shouldn’t have to but sadly that is the world we live in nowadays. Like, USA Today said “Our Second-Amendment rights could be preserved, while Americans are kept safe.” This is what it comes down to making smarter decisions for the wellbeing of all.
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Post by Novak on Oct 7, 2017 20:42:24 GMT
When tragedy strikes, we are quick to use it as an example for our personal agendas. As such, with the Las Vegas shooting the question of gun control legislation is back on the table. Every time an event of this scale happens we are quick to judge the means of destruction rather than the person behind it. In this case the means of destruction are firearms. Which begs the question, do we limit certain firearms and or make it harder to obtain such firearms? Common consensus would result that it is too easy to obtain firearms legally in America, as the narrative is skewed to say that they just get handed out to citizens. However, depending on the state it can be quite difficult to obtain a firearm, which is discouraging for law abiding citizens who want to defend themselves. In the state of PA, in order to obtain a CCW (license that allows for citizens to carry a concealed weapon on themselves and or in a vehicle) the PA State Police website says "An individual who is 21 years of age or older may apply for a license to carry firearms by submitting a completed Application for a Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms to the sheriff of the county in which they reside or if a resident of a city of the first class, with the chief of police of that city along with the required fee. The sheriff has 45 days to conduct an investigation to determine an individual's eligibility to be issued a license. Included in the investigation is a background check conducted on the individual through the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) to determine if the records indicate the individual is prohibited by law. In accordance with 18 PA C.S. §6109, a sheriff may deny an individual the right to a License to Carry Firearms if there is reason to believe that the character and reputation of the individual are such that they would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety. The license is valid for a period of five (5) years unless sooner revoked. NOTE: A license to carry firearms is NOT a license to purchase. Individuals who purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer are required to have a background check conducted regardless of whether they have a license to carry firearms or not." As shown, it is a lengthy process and anyone who wants to obtain a firearm for illicit purposes will skip this process and obtain one else wise. They are already planning to break the law what does one more law mean to them? Now the rhetoric shifts when talking about semi and or fully automatic "assault" weapons, with emphasis on the need to restrict such weapons. However isn't the use of an object to assault someone, by proxy make it an assault weapon? You could also ask, why does someone need such a weapon? Maybe to defend against someone else who intends to assault them with the same such weapon. Many countries in Europe have already banned "assault" weapons, yet in Europe there has been over 142 failed, foiled, or completed violent attacks in 2017 (www.Europol.europa.eu) and Fox News states "But one sad fact that everyone calling for gun control needs to consider is that, as Europe has shown, you can have all the gun control laws you want and you still won’t be able to stop horrors like this from happening" suggesting that those with the intent to harm will harm through either legal or illegal means. I liked the way Ayslyn's summarized this in her statement "Non-law abiding citizens are just that; citizens who do not follow the law".
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Post by Novak on Oct 7, 2017 20:50:46 GMT
@henry I agree with your statement " although both sides on this issue believe that they hold the answer, no answer will ever be "correct" and the hated debate will continue". It seems to be the reoccurring theme of using disasters or tragedies as statistical evidence for a politicized individuals personal agenda. It's as if we purposefully like ourselves divided rather than together by undermining tragedies as "just another statistic". It certainly is a sad truth.
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Post by Novak on Oct 7, 2017 20:59:24 GMT
pflugh There are already tons of restrictions on firearms. You cannot possess a firearm with a prior felony. Buying a firearm for someone who cannot is a class three felony. All firearms have to have a serial number and removing the serial number is a felony. Any instance of institutionalization whether it is court ordered or self admittance automatically excludes you from possessing a firearm. In order to distribute firearms you must have a license. Unlawfully carrying a firearm depending on the situation is either a class three felony or a misdemeanor. You cannot brandish a firearm in public without reproduction. That's just to name a few. Most restrictions vary from state to state and some get very specific, taking into account firearm length and other factors.
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Post by Baker on Oct 8, 2017 17:52:30 GMT
Gun control is a very sensitive and controversial topic. It is to no surprise that before we even knew all the facts about what happened in Las Vegas that people were quick to start arguing about this. As stated in the one USA Today article “Even before bodies were cold in the San Bernardino mass shooting, President Obama called for more gun control.” This quote simply shows how quick we are to bring up this topic. No gun control law will prevent people who are not in the right mindset, and plan on committing a horrible crime like this from not doing it. There are so many guns that are unregistered and illegal that it is almost certain they would’ve still been capable of getting their hands on a gun. The fox article talking about gun control in Europe shows us that no matter what we do these sick individuals will still find a way to accomplish what they plan on doing. France made semi-automatic guns illegal, but all 4 mass shootings in 2015 still involved machine guns. We often hear the saying “the only thing who can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” which is the truth. For example in 2007 at a church in Colorado a former cop ran towards the gunfire, killing the shooter. He saved tons of lives by doing that. If it wasn’t for that guy, and many others who have risked their lives to save us with their firearm we’d be facing many more tragedies. It is not guns who kill people, it is people who kill people. As proven even with gun control laws, or whatever you prefer to call it, tragic events such as what happened in Las Vegas can never be completely prevented.
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Post by Baker on Oct 8, 2017 17:57:59 GMT
@weber I completely agree with the idea of doing a mental health evaluation before being able to purchase a gun. There’s nothing else we can do to determine whether someone is safe to have a gun or not. Even people can still manage to find their way to get through an evaluation. The governments hands are kinda tied with what they should do next.
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Post by Baker on Oct 8, 2017 18:03:33 GMT
@callihan Whether we ban guns completely, or put more limitations on getting them we still have illegal guns. People who have their mind set on doing this will find a way to get their hands on a gun. In America there are an estimated 250-280 million firearms and there is no telling how many of those are illegal.
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Post by Stoughton on Oct 8, 2017 18:54:53 GMT
For as long as mass shootings have been around, so has the question regarding the necessity of Gun Control. Just like anything else, it is such a heated debate because so many people bear weighted opinions on the matter. The majority of which fear the violation of their near-and-dear Second Amendment right. There is nothing wrong with protecting your liberties, but when do you stop to ask yourself if it is still worth it? I’m not saying Gun control should entail the confiscation of millions of firearms, but we have to consider what is being presented to us. It’s clear guns don't kill people - people kill people, but where do we draw the line? In December 14th of 2012, twenty children and six adults were involved in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. The shooter there had also taken his own life in the aftermath. A journalist by the name of Dan Hodges stated, “In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US Gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.” Unfortunately, we do not live in a utopian society. We are not perfect and are subjected to mistakes, however doing nothing to prevent horrendous genocides pushes us over the line to becoming dystopian and inhumane. Time after time, countless individuals have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and incapable of possessing weapons of any sort. While the few shouldn't speak for the many, no one can help but feel urgency rising. Amidst the chaos, we maintain the struggle to find an effective solution. Americans and those alike continue to die at the fault of unstable people. While providing regulations is a start, complete and utter gun control is unrealistic. U.S.A. Today put it simply, “The folks driving this train have decided that this is the way we live - that to be free means to accept the dozens of American deaths in mass shootings.” Even if you believe doing something about the issue will fail, remember that not doing anything about it will do you just as much good. The truth is, gun violence will never go away, but we must do our best as a country to decrease the copious amounts of undeserving deaths.
What is more important to you, keeping an amendment written when mass shootings were unheard of or supporting the notion to protect ones you love and innocent people from another deadly shooting that could happen anywhere at anytime?
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Post by McDermott on Oct 8, 2017 19:39:25 GMT
Whether it be on the news or at your dinner table, the topic of control versus gun rights has been a very talked about subject this past week following the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas last Sunday night. After reading over various articles and brushing up on some knowledge of guns themselves, I can conclude that I fully support gun control in our country. The argument people make against gun control is the fact that no matter how much we restrict, there will always be a way to get a gun in your hand, whether is be legally or illegally. What I say to that is, why not at least make the guns harder to get? We can’t just sit back and say “well anyone can get their hands on a gun anyways so let’s not waste our time”. Why not make things like “bump-stocks” illegal to buy? Politifact states, “To buy a fully automatic rifle, a prospective owner must pay the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms $200 and pass a federal background check that shows no record of domestic violence or felony convictions.” However, one of the Forbes articles provided explains, “ ...Paddock (of the Las Vegas shooting) was probably able to shoot as many people as he did with a semi-automatic that had been converted to an automatic with kits anyone can buy legally online.” This means that automatic rifles are very hard to buy, but all you need to convert a semi-automatic gun to somewhat of an automatic gun is this “kit” known as a bump-stock. Why is it that ANYONE can legally buy these? I believe that bump-stocks should be banned completely. The only roadblock I am having with more control over guns in America, is that fact that our right to protect ourselves from harmful threats is going to be altered. I believe that as Americans we should have a right to bear arms in order to protect our families and communities. In that statement is where our problem lies. Essentially we have two options as a country: take away our gun rights completely and lose our source of protection, or continue to buckle down on gun sales and be more thorough with who we are selling them to. The second option, of course, comes with a bigger chance of tragedies like the mass shooting in Las Vegas. We as Americans can not have the best of both worlds. However, at this point I believe it is best for our country to live with much stricter methods of how guns are sold, who they are sold to, as well as where and when they will be used. I’m aware that this will not clear our society of mass shootings for good, but this will make it much harder for the guns being sold to be put in the wrong hands.
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Post by McDermott on Oct 8, 2017 19:52:10 GMT
@stoughton "It’s clear guns don't kill people - people kill people, but where do we draw the line?" This is a very interesting statement and I really haven't thought about the situation this way yet. Does this statement encompass that we should be thoroughly examining the people buying the guns, not the guns themselves? The man who shot, killed, and injured so many in the shooting of Las Vegas was most likely mentally ill. So maybe we need to be looking closer at the mental health of a person before they buy a gun. Interesting angle...
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