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Post by Admin on May 7, 2018 10:51:13 GMT
Maya French is the admin April 4th was International Mine Awareness, a day meant to spread awareness about the plague of landmines found all around the globe. Millions of innocent people have been killed or injured by landmines, left behind from periods of war. There have been many attempts to rid the world of landmines. Princess Diana was a large figure head in the Anti-Landmine epidemic and here is also included her speech after visiting Angola. Context & Angola Examples: www.theworldweekly.com/reader/view/16059/what-lies-beneath-defusing-the-landmine-problemPrincess Diana’s Anti-Landmine Speech after Trip to Angola (watch part 1 & 2): www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Jp4G-YCLkThe Ottawa Treaty: www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ottawaAdditional facts on Landmines (includes highly recommended podcast): science.howstuffworks.com/landmine.htmDiscussion Questions: 1. The Arms Control Association cributed the fact that “many non-signatories are in de facto compliance with the Ottawa Convention by refusing to use landmines and committing to voluntary destruction of stockpiles” to a shift in “social norms”. Do you think that the “social norm” is followed out of fear of repercussions from other countries or for the betterment of the countries affected by the mines? 2. Why is the media not covering this landmine epidemic, even though it is killing or injuring hundreds of people a month and preventing the growth of many countries? 3. In her speech, Princess Diana points out that these people who are affected by the landmines are already living in poverty and can not afford a handicapping injury. What do you think the future looks like for counties such as Angola who are continually losing workers and land? 4. What are some reasons that the super-power countries would not sign into agreements such as the Ottawa Treaty?
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Post by Makayla Rieder on May 9, 2018 17:09:56 GMT
Landmines that are left behind from conflicts have been a major problem for many countries in post-war years. One of the countries that is having a big problem with them is Angola. Angola has been in peace-time for 30 years now, and yet they still have horrible repercussions from the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale. Landmines are causing great roadblocks on the road to recovery from the war, where, as ‘The World Weekly’ article said “....tens of thousands of landmines left behind by both sides. Thirty years on, live mines restrict the expansion of commercial farming, kill and injure civilians, and hamper the government’s plans to attract tourism.” There are so many landmines that are still active and could be tripped at any moment that it is almost impossible for this country to progress and recover from their previous war-torn state. Landmines are generally such a problem that there is a treaty that was created to keep countries from using landmines in conflicts. The Ottawa Treaty has made many countries see somewhat eye-to-eye when it comes to landmines and they are no longer used by many countries. Some countries comply, though they haven’t signed onto the treaty. I think that the reasoning behind this is probably a mix of feeling bad for the countries so affected by the landmines and fear of being criticized and lambasted for using them, but mostly the latter. Landmines are an easy and effective way to attack, and I’m sure that plenty of countries would still be using them if it was not so frowned upon just because they would get so many repercussions for doing so. I think that major countries like the United States have not signed onto the Ottawa Treaty because we’re selfish. We never know when we’re going to get into a fight and using landmines is a very effective and easy way to win a fight. It’s a readily available weapon that is very effective, and even though there are bad repercussions for countries after the fighting has ended, we are more worried about winning the fight than what happens afterward.
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Post by Maya French on May 10, 2018 3:10:42 GMT
In times of war, the main priority is to win. Goals are set to protect from the enemy and to kill or maim them. To achieve these goals, most militaries and other fighting groups hardly think about the impact they are having on the land or the future repercussions of their actions. Due to this ignorance, there is a surplus of functioning, lethal landmines all around the globe. Often times, military groups will plant mine fields with hundreds of cheap, but lethal mines in order to deter the enemy from entering an area. After a few mines are detonated, it becomes clear than an area is minefield and the enemy will reroute. These fields are then abandoned as the war moves on, the majority of the time they are not recorded and forgotten to be found by an unsuspecting victim later on. (SYSK) Princess Diana, a figure head in this matter, stated, “The evil that men do lives after them”. The fear of minefields seems like one that should have faded out with the last World War, but these landmines are continuing to kill people long past their time of intended use. Innocent and unsuspecting, many people, often living in poverty, fall victim. An example of such was reported by The World Weekly happened in 2016 when, “eight people from one family alone were killed in Kuito when a child brought an anti-tank mine into his home.” Landmines threaten more than human lives, they can bring down an entire country and prevent it from growing in size or thriving economically. The World Weekly summarizes this well by stating, “live mines restrict the expansion of commercial farming, kill and injure civilians, and hamper the government’s plans to attract tourism” It would seem that with all of this danger to not only human life but entire countries’ economies that this issue would be a widespread understanding but most major countries refuse to sign on to the anti-mine treaties. Even the United States has not fully signed on to any anti-mine treaties. In the Ottawa treaty alone, the Arms Control Association explains, ”US policy now bans the production and acquisition of APLs [Anti-Personnel mines] as well use of the weapons outside of the Korean Peninsula.” It is major influences such as the US that need to lead the way in anti-mine policies in order to bring the massive change many countries in poverty need.
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Post by Olivia Girdwood on May 13, 2018 20:30:40 GMT
In regards to those countries that signed into the Ottawa Convention, they appear to be fearful of the repurcussions from other countries. In the world today, countries do not care about each other, they do everything out of their own selfish desires. If certain countries do not sign the forms, other countries will step in and start providing deals or threatening them to sign. (B.T.W. some of these countries might be signing this treaty, not getting rid of their mines, and when a country they wish to have conflict with does sign, bye bye) Those countries that are not signing into ro complying with the convention are protecting themselves by eeping their mines for potential invasions; it is a line of defense and offense at the same time. The media, as with a few conflicts that could be labelled genocide like the Rhoyinga crisis, is not covering this epidemic because the country does not want to do anything about it. The United States do not want to help other countries unless they have to, so why put it in the media and give the citizens of the country an idea that they could help those in Angola? Crazy right? Following the removal of South African and Cuban troops from Angola, “... live mines restrict the expansion of commercial farming, kill and injure civilians, and hamper the government’s plans to attract tourism” (World Weekly). This hampers the country to a whole new level than the U.S. has dealt with. 80% of Angola’s food comes from imports; that is a horrible statistic (World Weekly). Angola is going to continue to be in debt, continue to lose workers and citizens, and continue to be stuck in the same routine until another country or two steps in and helps with the removal of these mines. Who knows, maybe Angola would be a huge asset, and if our country were to be on good terms with them because we helped them, we might advance as well. Land mines are a huge danger that no one on this side of the globe really has to worry about, unlike the Middle East and some countries. There should be more awareness placed on the fact that these historic weapons are still in use even today.
My question is: Why don’t countries blame the landmines that blow up on the countries that put them there decades ago? (Unlike in todays society where every bad thing that happens there has to be someone behind it, something ot put the blame on…..*cough cough* guns).
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Post by Olivia Girdwood on May 13, 2018 20:35:46 GMT
@makayla Regarding your statement on the reasoning for following the convention, I agree with you. I would like to mention, though, that maybe it would be better to say that the CITIZENS of a country feel bad for the other countries and the government cares more about the repercussions on the country as a whole. One side of the question goes with one tier of a country. IF that makes sense, the citizens care the government does not.
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Post by Olivia Girdwood on May 13, 2018 20:40:43 GMT
mayafrench You quoted the same statement from the World Weekly that I did. As I read the quote I began to think to myself, "Is this how the South African and Cuban forces are still controlling Angola?" Are landmines a way of keeping a country docile, in a hurt, falling apart state? Could they be a new form of control over a country? It may sound kinda extreme but to me, at least, it kinda makes sense. If a country, and one country alone, has these landmines marked and traced, knowing what kind of mine and where they are all located, is it not control?
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Post by jonah on May 14, 2018 1:29:59 GMT
The landmine crisis that has affect the 20th century is still a problem we face today. From this problem came the creation of the Ottawa Treaty or Ottawa Convention which was established in order to stop the use and also destroy anti-personnel landmines. Many states have signed the treaty and are either completely de-mined or in the process of it. The United States on the treaty but many other world powers are. Although not signed onto the treaty many of the non-signatories they still comply with the conventions needs and wants. This I think is just there way of saying they are against the landmine use but still do not want to sign incase of a worse case scenario. I do not think the media is covering the land mine epidemic because it is not a region the United States is worried about. And with the United States not being involved in the convention the media doesn’t feel the need to report on it. I think the small countries in Africa that are facing this crisis will receive help and bounce back from this. The will most likely receive help from powerful nations trying to make an impact in the region and also following the convention on how they are supposed to help other signatories. I do not think that the other world powers did not sign the conventional treaty because they don’t want to give them up and then need them. They do not want there to be a worse case scenario where they will need to use them and then not be able to because of the convention.
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Post by Brooke Gentile on May 14, 2018 2:10:33 GMT
Angola is one of the many places that is home to some of the most destructive landmines. This epidemic is not covered by the media and or making great attempts to stop it is simple because as Princess Diana said " the world has many other preoccupations." The world we live in today is extremely focused of self progression and self success. Other countries are mainly focused on how to make more money, and how to make everything work in their favor. Even though it is killing and injuring hundreds of people a month and preventing the growth of many countries, the surrounding countries that are not affected will pay no attention to the devastation occurring right in front of them. Throughout Princess Diana's speech, she made a great point which was "In countries in which we hear little, their lonely fate is never reported." These countries much like Angola that we never hear much of, are suffering more than we may know. The people struggling as a result to the landmines are never heard about which gives them little to no opportunity to reach any form of help. "Currently, there are more than 100 million landmines located in 70 countries around the world" (How stuff works). These landmines were designed to "disable an person or vehicle that comes into contact with it by an explosion or fragments released at high speeds" (How stuff works). Since 1975 landmines have killed over one million people, which hasn't been covered much if at all in the media.These landmines are extremely dangerous and should be more publicly recognized. If this were happening in the United States it would be all over the news all around the world, but sadly these smaller less known and talked about countries get the short end of the deal and get no help or publicity on what is occurring.
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Post by Maya Borland on May 14, 2018 2:25:30 GMT
Princess Diana has a very valid point when she says that these injured people can not offered medical care nor can they still go to work with these new conditions. If more and more people get hurt by these landmines then the workforce will have a dramatic. This will not just hurt the workforce but very soon it will start to affect the whole economy. In response to the media not covering this traumatic issue more I am surprised. As Princess Diana was saying in her speech that hundreds or people are injured but even more have been killed. If people don’t know what is happening over in Angola then they will not try to help. It is also surprising to me that South Africa has not signed the Ottawa Treaty when so many of their people have been killed due to landmines. More people will die if this issue is not taken care of.
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Post by Meghan Miller on May 14, 2018 3:03:30 GMT
The number of landmines that are still being found in many countries are astounding. The fear many people go through daily of being blow up in their hometowns is worrying. Many countries have arranged an agreement to stop the use of landmines, which would allow the number of mines to stop increasing. Countries that have not signed the agreement to stop placing landmines are still in compliance with it. They are in compliance because they fear the repercussions from other countries. This Compliance from fear creates a social norm for countries to not use landmines during warfare. Many extremist groups or countries that fear a large war are still using landmines to fight which creates a huge hassle in removing them. There is little media coverage of the landmine epidemic because large, influential countries have chosen to still use landmines and media coverage of this decision would result n a huge government backlash on these media companies. Most media exists to keep citizens complacent with their governments. Workers in Angola have a bleak future ahead of them. According to the world weekly and Golia was labeled a middle middle income status country that means they will get a lot less help removing land mines that are scattered throughout their country because of the Cold War. Much of their infrastructure and agriculture are endured because of these landmines they cannot expand their infrastructure for fear of hitting a landline in killing citizens. Without this ability to expand their economic status is in a state of stagnation. Angola May recede to a low-income country because of its inability to increase its economic infrastructure because of these landmines and their diminishing workforce because of the death toll that is still affecting them from the 1960s. Angola is an unfortunate example of modern-day colonialism where the mother countries, being the United States and Russia, have caused them great harm but do not help them recover after destroying their lands. Large superpowers do not wish to sign the auto agreement because they feel like it would limit their power. United States feels as if it should not sign a anti landline agreement until it is sure that there is not going to be a ground war on the Korean Peninsula. China who right now is in a period of exponential economic growth fears that it will get into a war with other superpowers and does not wish to sign away its ability to use landmines or its ability to stockpile these type of weapons. Superpower countries fear estate of declining power, so did you do to prevent this they want to be in the best shape they possibly can which means keeping stockpiles of weapons and having the ability to fight any enemy possible. They only wish for the benefit of themselves and put the health of themselves in their citizens above the health of the whole world.
My question: Do you feel as if there will ever be a time where the superpowers will willingly sign an agreement that takes away the rights to use certain weapons?
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Post by Maddy Crighton on May 14, 2018 3:14:31 GMT
Land mines are a huge problem in the country of Angola. Thousands upon thousands of land mines have been left over since the country’s cold war (The World). These land mines are causing huge problems for the country’s agriculture, trade, tourism, and more. Many of the land mines are laying on top of the ground or simply buried beneath it without an indicator or its presence. In addition, the location of the land mines that are buried have been forgotten and unknown (Howstuffworks). This has become a major problem and results in the death of innocent civilians, as well as major maims and injuries. In fact, it was reported in 2017 that over 88,000 civilians in Angola are living with injuries sustained by land mines (The World). Before the war, Angola was a self sufficient country, but unfortunately, they are depending on other countries for 80% of all their food and consumables (The World). Princess Diana of Wales was a major advocate for cleaning up and removing the land mines from all countries. She actually gave a speech on the topic on June 12, 1997. However. the talk of land mines is not a popular topic in today’s world. Almost all of the media have not reported on the topic even though thousands of people are dying for no reason at all. Diana also mentions that most of those who have been injured by a land mine are already in poverty and can not afford to get the attention they need. If this situation is left unattended, the citizens of Angola will continue to get hurt and the country will most likely start to crumble down.
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Post by Hunter Prementine on May 14, 2018 3:33:53 GMT
I believe a big reason that many of the world superpowers aren’t joining in to help is because there isn't much to gain for them. It is a lot like what happened with Rwanda, if there is nothing to gain then there is no need to help, I don’t think that is the right way to go about things from a personal standpoint but that is just the way it is. As for the media coverage, it isn’t making headlines in the US because we are a non-signatory (ACA) and are not leading the charge to combat this issue. I think if we took the lead on this problem then there would be more news coverage in the US about it. The future of Angola is definitely going to be rough with all the cuts that The World Weekly article explained is happening, limiting the process for these landmines to be removed. There is also the fact that a self sufficient country has to rely on others now because of this issue. When you are independant like that then all of the sudden have to become dependant on other countries because production, especially in agriculture, is severely limited due to not being able to use the mine inhabited land, it is a rough transition. Another point that I would like to bring up is the fact that, “In 2016, eight people from one family alone were killed in Kuito when a child brought an anti-tank mine into his home,” (TWW)can you imagine what kind of fear that puts into society? There is always this looming thought that you could step in a wrong place and end up injured or worse. That has to be negatively affecting the Angolan society. In all, I believe Angola has a long, rough road ahead if they don’t receive more support for the landmine crises that they face, and that no one should have to live in fear of accidentally stepping on a landmine.
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Do you believe that if the US was more involved in Angola that they would benefit more? Why or why not?
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Post by Laura Gutauskas on May 14, 2018 3:39:03 GMT
What is most confusing to me in this situation is that certain countries refuse to sign the treaty, yet go and follow the rules of it anyway. While this is a good thing on the surface, it could have problems underneath since a non-signatory country may just be cherry picking the requirements until the international norms become more stringent. Despite all this, it seems that they’re more concerned about breaking the actual contract if they; A. actually signed it and B. were to change their mind and use landmines, rather than what social/international repercussions they’ll face if they do anything without signing the document. It is stated that, “The treaty also forbids signatories from assisting or encouraging any other state or party from engaging in the activities outlawed by the treaty,” which adds onto the mystery as to why so many do not want to sign (Arms Control). There could be a possibility that a non-signatory country may be in cahoots with another even if they do not plan on using mines in their homeland, but instead wants to help militarily fund the use of them somewhere else. By signing the treaty, this would be interfered with, although this is just speculation. When it comes to media coverage, as usual, it is probably not covered because a lot of major countries were the ones placing the mines in the first place and they don’t like taking responsibility for things that cause mass amounts of harm to others. Although, if more coverage becomes available for Angola in order to rid the belief that the country is capable of taking care of this problem on their own, there is a greater chance that their future will see economic growth and a stronger road to recovery. Just by looking at their current conditions, it’s obvious that help is greatly needed; “Before the beginning of the violence in 1961, Angola was self-sufficient in all major food crops, as well as a net exporter of coffee, maize, cassava and banana. Now, it depends on imports for 80% of all its food products and consumables” (The World Weekly). Since the U.S. has put in place its own bans for landmines, another reasoning for not signing could be that they don’t want to be at a “disadvantage” to Russia and China since they also have not signed it and this is a common theme with super-power countries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Ottawa_Treaty After looking at the full list of parties that are abiding by the terms of the treaty, as well as knowing that over 25 countries removed the mines in their lands, do you think the Ottawa Treaty was successful and necessary in the process to having global agreement towards the use of weapons?
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Post by Cole on May 14, 2018 3:44:27 GMT
Land mines are very harmful pieces of equipment that were once useful and were very effective at getting the job done. With that being said, the way that they were implemented, they are still effective and highly dangerous to this day. In Angola, these weapons are being tripped and are killing hundreds of innocent people. According to the first article, since 2002, there are 1,000 square kilometers of land stretching over two countries infested with land mines. These land mines are harming tons of people and just like Princess Diana said, these people do not have the medical funds to help cure their injuries. The people in Angola are already in severe poverty and these land mines are not helping. If these land mines continue to harm the citizens, things will not be good in the near future. The population will take a sharp turn downwards along with the work force for the country. If people keep dying, no one will be able to work. This issue needs resolved. Other countries need to step in to help Angola. It is a burden on the other super powers in the world to help them but if we as a human race want to help out and create stronger bonds with each other, we need to step in. Many countries have trained EOD, explosive ordinance disposal, technicians and robots that can help Angola. We can help. The super powers need to step in and help it things will only get worse.
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Post by Matt on May 14, 2018 3:56:00 GMT
Landmines were a means to kill in war. During times of war countries need to kill enemies by any means necessary. But the mines that were used but not detonated are a serious problem today. The mines are now not being used in war but it is hurting civilians. These bombs that were created are so hard to destroy that even today it is hard to control them. When they’re being disarmed it is so easy to set these off. If these things are triggered there is no possible way that they can be disarmed. Even if these thing were used for war, why would they ever be created to never be disarmed?
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