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Post by Williams on Oct 1, 2017 21:33:30 GMT
President Trump has controversially stated that this travel is to "protect the security and interest of the United States". Although this statement is meant to bring comfort to the american people, this travel ban has proven to be a very hot topic. Despite popular opinion the Trump administration has stated that "The restrictions either previously or now were never, ever ever based on race, religion, or creed". Some have deemed this travel ban "racist" as it mainly targets predominately Muslim countries. However these countries have been on the United States radar since before Trump was elected and have posed serious concern to the security of the american people. The Trump administration has valid justification for every country being placed on this travel ban. These countries have potential to harm the United States, which is why they are in this position. The fact that they are mainly Muslim based is simply a coincidence. Do you think being placed on the travel ban provides a motive for those countries to ban against the United States? |
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Post by Williams on Oct 1, 2017 21:49:37 GMT
@paigemartin Although the countries on the travel ban are predominantly Muslim they have also been proven to pose serious threat to the american people/ government. I believe this was set in place with the best intentions of the american people in mind.
@madiganroxberry Good point that whenever the republican party begins to act more progressive they are ridiculed. I feel as tho people have a very distinct stereotype set on both the democratic and republican parties and whenever one acts against that stereotype they are seen to be going "off the cuff" and against their beliefs.
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Post by Croll on Oct 1, 2017 22:19:10 GMT
@emilysarver
When addressing the extreme vetting that these people must go through to step foot in the United States, that's what is necessary to guarantee a safe country. These people may pose a serious threat to our nation and severe background checks are the only way to be positive that immigrants are not coming with bad intentions. If the President has evidence to believe that certain areas show signs of concern, then serious background checks are a must.
@madiganroxberry
I like how you brought in a significant historical event that occurred due to acts of terrorism. When we are filtering out people/countries that may have the intent to harm, it is very reasonable to place a ban of travel. In order to prevent another attack like 9/11, it is vital that we do everything we can to keep our country safe. If we have evidence that these countries may pose a threat to the United States, race doesn't play a role.
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Post by Martin on Oct 1, 2017 23:27:37 GMT
@sarver I totally agree with your post. I believe the ban needs to include countries like Saudi Arabia (which you mentioned) that have evidence of threats. I also like your statement saying how Trump tries to encourage them to stop posing threats but this just makes the countries brew up more conflict. He's just creating unnecessary drama. To address your question, I wonder the same thing. It made no sense to me and he should focus on the more dangerous countries.
@thompson I get that Trump supposedly made the travel bans to deal with those he can not safely vet yet, but what do you mean this is not targeting an ethnic group? In my eyes, if this was a different group of people Trump would not be so fixed on keeping them out of our country. I do agree with you though that it is hard to know who has good and bad intentions. I do think Trump's ban could be to prevent the spread of communist beliefs, and we could be approaching another Cold-War with North Korea, it all just depends on how things progress.
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Post by Kingerski on Oct 2, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
Anthony Romero said, “President Trump’s original sin of targeting Muslims cannot be cured by throwing other countries onto his enemies list.” By banning these countries, Trump is not erasing "the original sin of targeting Muslims," but he is doing what he can to keep America safe. These countries have proven to be uncooperative or a threat to our country. The focus should be based upon that fact, but some people seem to view this new policy as racist because the majority of these countries' citizens are Muslim. President Trump tweeted, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people." It seems as though even when he is trying to make a stronger and safer country, he is being ridiculed. If any country poses a threat, then there should be actions taken to make sure that America is kept out of harm's way. Considering that all of the countries added to the travel ban list have proven to be national threats, they deserve their place on the list - no matter if they are Muslim or not. My question is, does the race or religion of a country merit its removal from the travel ban?
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Post by Kingerski on Oct 2, 2017 0:19:33 GMT
@paigemartin I understand where you are coming from with how it can be seen as a ploy to get rid of illegal immigrants. But how is his tweet ignorant? As president it is his duty to keep us safe from imposing threats, that is all he is saying. Trump has made it clear that he has plans for dealing with illegal immigration. This addition of countries to the travel ban is more about our country's safety than that of keeping Muslims out.
@madiganroxberry I like how you pointed out that although this ban can be interpreted as discriminating based on religion, there are other view points, such as the terrorist attacks from Islamic extremists. It is not meant to be offensive, although it is very controversial.
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Post by McHattie on Oct 2, 2017 0:31:45 GMT
President Trump is quoted as saying, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people,” when addressing the travel ban. This statement has brought a lot of controversy to the table. People are starting to argue that Trump is discriminating Muslims and is trying to fulfil his promise of “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” however this is not the case. The eight countries that Trump has selected to be banned are obviously threats to our country. Their race has nothing to do with the ban, according to one senior administration official, “The restrictions either previously or now were never, ever ever based on race, religion, or creed. Those governments are simple not compliant with our basic security requirements.” If the countries aren’t compliant with our security requirements it is no doubt that they should be banned with any hesitation. Each of the countries “is either considered a state sponsor of terrorism by the U.S or ‘has been significantly compromised by terrorist organisations or contains active conflict zones.’” As said in a BBC article. If we were to be lenient with who enters our country terrorism is arrise. Furthermore, in an NPR article Trump is quoted as saying, “We cannot afford to continue the failed policies of the past, which present an unacceptable danger to our country. My highest obligation is to ensure the safety and security of the American people, and in issuing this new travel order, I am fulfilling that sacred obligation,” this quotes obviously shows that Trump is determined to protect the American people, not trying to get rid of Muslims. The people should not be focused on whether Trump is being “racist” or not, they should be focused on the safety of our country.
Question: Do you think the adding of North Korea to the travel ban list will cause them to start more problems with the U.S?
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Post by McHattie on Oct 2, 2017 0:45:44 GMT
@paigemartin I see how you think Trump is discriminating Muslims, but it is obvious that Trump is just trying to protect his people. Just like how Lauren said, "The fact that they are mainly Muslim based is simply a coincidence."
@emilysarver In a BBC article I read critics have noted, "Major attacks such as 9/11 New York attacks, the Boston marathon bombing, and the Orlando nightclub attack were carried out by the people from countries not on the list, such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Kyrgyzstan, or by U.S born attackers," so Trump did exclude many countries that have cause problems. These countries can always be added to the list. Also, just because the countries in the list now have not "posed threats to the U.S" , doesn't mean they won't in the future. It is important to stop the problems now before they occur.
@madiganroxberry I appreciate you adding other articles. It helped me get a further understanding, and I was able to strengthen my points in my discussion using quotes from them.
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Post by Chechak on Oct 2, 2017 1:28:36 GMT
President Trump made the travel ban so he can protect America. In the quote, ""The president had signaled earlier this month that an expansion of the travel ban was likely. Citing an attack in London, Trump wrote on Twitter, “The travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific — but stupidly, that would not be politically correct!”". He is saying how he wants America to stay safe and protect us from as many attacks as possible. But, he can not protect us from all evil, it is humanly impossible. When he says "it would not be politically correct, he is throwing shade at people who think the travel ban is a bad idea. The countries that are on the travel ban have been on watch by the Americans for a while now, all in fear of terrorism and extremest ideas, Trump is trying to do a good thing for our safety. But, looking at the other view, people may not believe in it because it may not be "fair" for family situations or that "not all are evil" but at the end of the day, most attacks happen from the countries on the travel ban, if taking this big of a step will keep us safe, then it is what has to happen.
Q: Why is the travel ban such a bad idea. Would you rather take the risks of people from the countries coming in and harming you, or just take the safest step into keeping all Americans safe as possible?
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Post by Chechak on Oct 2, 2017 1:40:05 GMT
@roxberry How could you be so certain that a travel ban affecting major countries of war progressive? Isn't that just making more problems for the U.S.?
@martin If Trump did what was best for the people, why would he move the U.S. out of the Paris-Climate Agreement? That agreement was set up to help the entire world not just the U.S.. Not just now, but future people will be affected by all of these decisions, are they really the greatest decisions, or is he just worried about the decisions that will affect just his life time.
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Post by Marcus Howell on Oct 2, 2017 2:04:54 GMT
Trump quoted “as president, I must act to protect security and interests of the United States and it's people”. Trump is doing the right thing by travel banning certain countries that are not in the safest conditions “at the moment”. Trump also stated that this is temporary and not to last forever. So when the travel banned countries become safer and easier to vet they could possibly be lifted. Like he said before this is not permanent so I’m assuming he is not planning on keeping it like this forever it is just what is good for now to protect the people. Also, Trump tweeted saying “Making America safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet”. Using my knowledge of public stances from republican party platform I can tell that, as the republicans currently stand on immigration, they are probably happy and stand by this act of Trump. The republicans already think laws on immigration should be tightened so this might be a forecast as to what is to come for more immigration laws.
Question: Do you think this foreshadows what is to come or do you think this is as little as Trump will do with Immigration?
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 2, 2017 2:15:29 GMT
@chechak - I am saying it is a progressive decision of the Republican Party, based on the fact that they are typically stereotyped as being traditional. Whether or not the reformation/ change in the travel ban will progress positively for the U.S is unknown but even you mentioned in your response that "If taking this big of a step will keep us safe, then it is what has to happen." Based on the fact that you said it was a "big step" it seems as though you view it as a progressive action as well.
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Post by Kamerer on Oct 2, 2017 2:52:49 GMT
Trump’s statement, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people,” was put into actions by the president, but could have been used in a more productive, effective, and global manner. The president's actions, by committing the travel ban of not being allowed to go in and out of countries whether you are and immigrant or not is dramatic and hostile. For example, the President Trump could have made restrictions/rules to those who travel. For instance, he can apply more background checks and heavier security checks to those who travel in and out of the country. Also, just applying the travel the ban to these countries will not stop inspired followers of the other countries from acting out upon the United States. Although, it states, “using secure biometric passports, for example, and willingly passing along terrorism and criminal-history information,” was already tried by the U.S and was unsuccessful, but why was it unsuccessful. To continue, it also states, “But some were either unable or unwilling to give the United States what it needed, officials said.” The reason these countries were so reluctant to give us this information is, because they do not trust with this information. They believe we will not use this information carefully, and we as the United States have shown that. In conclusion, President Trump could have took a better approach to applying this travel ban.
Does the U.S government rush into things too cautiously, without taking a more simpler approach?
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Post by Magliocca on Oct 2, 2017 3:05:02 GMT
Trump has recently posted a tweet about the new update on the travel ban saying “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet.” I agree with this statement to an extent. Yes, I don’t think it is fair to prevent these citizens to travel to the U.S. but when it comes down to safety many things are not fair. We should not have to be judged about being “racist” just because the majority of the people are Muslims and we seem to be just preventing them from traveling to the U.S. There is a reason for it, a majority of attacks in the US, like 9/11 were are a result of Islamic extremists. So when these attacks are commonly happening tracing back to the same type of people we often pinpoint them and keep a watch out for other attacks. Washington post writes “ The restrictions either previously or now were never, ever ever based on race, religion, or creed.”. So truly it’s not that we are being “racists” or rude to Muslims, just once a harmful attack takes place that affects a lot of American citizens and trust becomes a big deal. When you read this article you truly have to sit back and think why risk the safety of our country just for other countries believing they’re getting treated fairly or not.
Question: Why do you think people are more concerned with the foreign countries feeling as though they're being treated unfairly, than the safety of the very nation they live in?
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Post by Magliocca on Oct 2, 2017 3:23:44 GMT
@kamerer If they took the time to make it fair for everyone then it allows for more harm to be done to our country during that time. By being cautious and rushing the process it allows us to know the correct steps it takes to get it done but also in a fast period of time so there is a solution to the problem right away, not allowing time for more havoc to break out. Also, sometimes when the simpler route is taken there may be more mistakes trhoughout the plan because it was a simplified version.
@howell I think this is foreshadowing what is to come. Seeing what Trump has done or what he plans to do, we know he wants to make " America great again" and to make it great I believe he will go above and beyond this point of action within immigration. Plus this is just one step to try and stop attacks, so with this I think he will try and expand this travel ban to new countries or come up with a new idea to somehow prevent more Muslim attacks from happening in the U.S.
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