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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2017 16:21:42 GMT
President's Travel Ban: A Necessary part of National Security?
1.) Read the Washington Post Article attached in the hyperlink. You may pick another source's article reporting on this topic if you choose. 2.) Construct a response post. You need not answer all questions. There are multiple questions to get you thinking and discussing.
Some guiding questions to consider for the original post:
1. President Trump is quoted as saying, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people.” Respond to this statement 2. Using your knowledge of public policy stances from the Republican party platform analysis, discuss the following statement: On Twitter, President Trump tweeted, “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet.” 3. Is there a compelling government interest to create such a travel ban? Why or why not?
The following explains how you will be assessed: 1. Make at least one (1) original post that addresses one more of the guiding questions. • Compose a response (around 200-300 words) • Use specific evidence from the reading in your response 2. Pose at least one question for discussion that would invite a peer to respond at the end of your original post 3. Respond to at least two (2) of your peers directly Instead of hitting the "Quote" button, simply use @thestudents name to signify your reply, this way we will not take up so much space (Thank you Emily Sarver for this idea)
All ground rules from in class discussion apply to the discussion board. You need not all agree with one another; however, academically present your stance.Article Link: www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-changes-travel-ban-countries/2017/09/24/1fef7cfe-a140-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.2f576ca94118Great article for talking points www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/travel-ban-next-steps/index.html
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Post by Sarver on Sept 28, 2017 10:24:30 GMT
Shouldn't Trump evaluate all of the "harmful" individuals that are already stationed in the U.S, not just the foreigners?
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Post by Admin on Sept 28, 2017 13:30:34 GMT
Shouldn't Trump evaluate all of the "harmful" individuals that are already stationed in the U.S, not just the foreigners? Hi Emily Make sure to include a 200-300 word reflection post with your discussion question.
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Post by Martin on Sept 29, 2017 0:53:31 GMT
In addressing the travel ban article on Washington Post, Trump is quoted as saying, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people.” This statement is both controversial and ignorant. Even though these countries are Muslim populated, Trump doesn't seem to take into consideration the amount of innocence they have in terms to terrorist attacks. He only sees their ethnicity as a threat. The Washington Post claims, "critics of the administration have argued that the travel bans are an unconstitutional attempt to deliver on Trump’s campaign promise of “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” Administration officials deny that any of the bans were aimed at Muslims." Although administration says this ban was not intended to target Muslims, that is exactly what Trump was doing by choosing the countries he did. This feeds into the belief that Trump is not just looking out for the safety of his people, but making it tougher for Muslims to enter and thrive within the United States. Trump wrote on Twitter, “The travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific — but stupidly, that would not be politically correct!” This proves he only wants to make the expansion bigger, while also acknowledging the wrongness of doing so. Trump should be focusing more on the countries that pose an evident threat to the US instead of targeting people for what they are.
Q: Did Trump really issue this travel ban with his people's best interest in mind, or is he simply aiming to target illegal immigrants?
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Post by Croll on Sept 30, 2017 21:00:30 GMT
A tweet from President Trump addressing the Travel Ban said "As President, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and it's people." By this tweet, he has made it clear that the countries he placed a travel ban on impose threat to our country. Although his statement may be viewed as being "racist" there is evidence that proves otherwise. "The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration." Prior to Trumps presidency, these countries were already showing signs of concern to the United States. In December 2015, Obama signed a document which placed restrictions on certain travelers that had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria from the point of March 1, 2011 and after. Shortly after, the Obama Administration also added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list of countries. "It was called in an effort to address the growing threat from Foreign Terrorist Fighters." When looking at Trumps action of banning travel, how is it said that it could be of racial issues? "What the President did was take the first step through this executive order of ensuring that we're looking at the entire system of who's coming in, refugees that are coming in, people who are coming in from places that have a history or that our intelligence suggests that we need to have further extreme vetting for." said Sean Spicer from a CNN report. The travel ban was placed in order to keep American citizens safe from terrorisitic threats and attacks. www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/how-the-trump-administration-chose-the-7-countries/index.htmlQ: If we can not safely vet the immigrants in our country, how else can we assure that we are safe?
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Post by Sarver on Sept 30, 2017 21:29:15 GMT
While evaluating the Washington Post article, it explains the travel ban expansion to several countries restricting them from entering the U.S. Saying this, President Trump tweets, “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet." With the Republican stance on immigration, they believe in immigration laws and immigration reforms that address the needs of national security. The safety and security of the citizens and the nation is without a doubt highly important, however the ban does not include countries that have sent terrorist attacks to the U.S. like Saudi Arabia. Trump seems to want to break out war with these countries, trying to encourage them to stop posing with threats, even though this is a "motivation" for these countries to brew up conflict. In the article, it states, "The restrictions either previously or now were never, ever ever based on race, religion or creed." But, the whole article is about how the Muslims should never think about setting a foot in this country, so how is that not targeting race? Just because you despise their country/ government system does not mean you go and add fuel to the fire when none of those counties listed were causing harm to us. Also, in the Washington Post Article, it exclaims," The ban on citizens of the six countries was to last 90 days;" furthermore Trump signals refugees and immigrants under 'extreme vetting' before they could come here. He has no idea what is involved or how long the process may take. Trump should be focusing on the U.S. and the good qualities present instead of starting up unnecessary chaos with other countries.
Question: Why did Trump exclude countries that posed threats to the U.S., but included several countries that did not on the travel ban?
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Post by Sarver on Sept 30, 2017 21:55:33 GMT
@paigemartin - I agree with your statement of "making it tougher for Muslims to enter and thrive within the United States", not only has President Trump targeted these individuals, but he without a doubt has made them feel unwelcome and or dis-included based on his actions. It is quite confusing to express why he targets Muslims who have not in any way, shape or form made conflict with us U.S. citizens. Trump attacking illegal immigrants is clear and does not remain unnoticed.
@logancroll- I like how you included Obama and how he put restrictions on certain countries like Syria, Iraq and even Iran.But yes, I also agree how the travel ban was placed to keep our country safe from invaders. However, those countries most likely were posing some sort of harm at the time so he had a right to put those policies on them, but Trump is just calling out any country without having any evidence behind it.
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2017 22:29:14 GMT
Emily- Such a fantastic idea to use @studentname!!! Thank you for this idea! I appreciate your problem-solving for the group and myself! Let's use this model when we reply to our peers. Instead of hitting quote, please do exactly what Emily did @logancroll nice job including another article for consideration! Nice work! @paigemartin great job being the first to make a post, thanks for getting this group started. Both student replies may appear (but are not limited to appear) in the same thread. Meaning, both of your relies can be made at once like the example above. Please make your replies to your peers longer than one sentence though.Your efforts thus far are making me really excited and thrilled by your participation! Keep it up!
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Post by Thompson on Oct 1, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
President Trumps tweet "Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet." This is a very direct and smart statement showing his reasoning for the travel bans. If we cannot safely check everyone that is coming into this country then we are failing to protect ourselves as much as we can from terror attacks and crimes against our citizens. Although the majority of countries targeted are mainly Muslim this is not racist or targeting of an ethnic group. However, in 2015, 450 of 452 suicide attacks that claimed 4,370 lives were committed by Muslim extremists around the world, according to The Times Of Israel. This does not mean that all Muslims are extremists but with the large amounts of citizens of these countries wanting passage to the United States, it would be extremely difficult to see who has good and bad intentions, because even those who seem moderate can be extremists and not show it completely until action is taken. Onto the ban of Venezuelan officials and North Korean citizens, I find similarities between this and a Cold-War era world. Venezuela has turned towards socialism while North Korea is mirroring the USSR with Military show and threats, along with the testing of ICBMs. So here is my question: Do you think President Trump's ban on Venezuelan officials and their families as well as all of North Korea is meant to prevent the spread of communist ideas and beliefs as we tried to do in the Cold War? And do you think we are in another Cold War situation right now with North Korea?
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Post by Thompson on Oct 1, 2017 18:02:31 GMT
@logancroll, I like how you included the Obama administration list of "Countries of Concern" to affirm that President Trump is acting on former knowledge and creating a temporary solution until we have a more efficient and safe way to vet those coming into our country.
@paigemartin, The administration has stated that these bans have nothing to do with faith but a matter of security. Trying to find those who mean our country harm out of those who would like to experience the Freedoms that we have here in the United States is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I agree that all should be able to live the American Dream because we have the liberty and religious freedoms that we have, although, security of our nation and it's citizens should always be kept in mind, especially in these times.
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 1, 2017 19:26:35 GMT
Both of President Trump's statements, while pertaining to a national safety issue, resorted to a an issue of racism. He is known to have said, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people.” as well as posting, "Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet." on Twitter. After reading several articles on this topic it seems that the people opposing this travel ban are doing so because of their interpretation on human rights. An article from NPR says people are "challenging the ban as discriminatory based on religion." However, a majority the attacks that the U.S has faced from foreign countries have been from those that are extremists of the Islamic religion. Therefore, making it a logical decision of the government to place a ban on countries that hold citizens who pose a threat. Muslim majority countries were being supervised even before the Trump administration. For example, an article from CNN writes this," In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters." All that the Trump administration is changing within this is the reinforcement of the original policy as well as an addition of 3 countries. With this the laws have become more strict for immigrants already present in the U.S and for the countries outside the U.S. The republican platform's stance on immigration, however, is still being followed. In an article from Fox News it is stated that, "They have standards that you can meet to get off the list." Therefore the administration is still all for immigration, but it must be safe for the existing legal American Citizens and those who are on the path to becoming legal. It is simply not meant to discriminate all Muslims, but filter out those that should not be entering our country for safety reasons. People should be worrying about the safety the United States and preventing situations like 9/11 from reoccurring, instead of making foreigners feel comfortable before they are even a citizen of the nation.
Question: The Republican party is so often seen as being traditional and not progressive, but when they are, in such a case of moving forward with the safety of the U.S, why is the change seen in such a negative light?
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 1, 2017 19:32:47 GMT
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 1, 2017 20:19:53 GMT
@sarver- I agree that Trump has left out several countries that pose a threat to our country but all of the ones currently on the list do pose a threat. North Korea, while nearly all of its citizens are restricted to travel anywhere foreign, is continually testing new bombs putting the U.S in reach. The Venezuelan government is refusing to comply with our safety standards and the citizens not in power do not pose a direct threat but certain officials in power are being uncooperative. Chad is reported as having terrorist groups within and near the country. All of these countries are possible threats for the time being so none of them should be controversial, however, there are countries that are concerning to the safety of our country that are not on the list so it does make me question the reasoning behind Trump's reformation of the travel ban.
@thompson- It is a possibility that the prevention of communist ideas is a motive for Trump to enforce the travel ban upon these countries, but why ban a country who has limited travel to the U.S in the first place? Was it just symbolic or do the minority of people who have traveled to the U.S from North Korea actually pose an internal threat to the nation? Maybe Trump is trying to make the American people see North Korea as more of a threat by putting them on a list of other threatening countries. Similar to a conversation we had in law about Trump exaggerating the National Anthem issue to create a sense of nationalism among the American people in case of another war.
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Post by Williams on Oct 1, 2017 20:49:52 GMT
President's Travel Ban: A Necessary part of National Security?
1.) Read the Washington Post Article attached in the hyperlink. You may pick another source's article reporting on this topic if you choose. 2.) Construct a response post. You need not answer all questions. There are multiple questions to get you thinking and discussing.
Some guiding questions to consider for the original post:
1. President Trump is quoted as saying, “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people.” Respond to this statement 2. Using your knowledge of public policy stances from the Republican party platform analysis, discuss the following statement: On Twitter, President Trump tweeted, “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet.” 3. Is there a compelling government interest to create such a travel ban? Why or why not?
The following explains how you will be assessed: 1. Make at least one (1) original post that addresses one more of the guiding questions. • Compose a response (around 200-300 words) • Use specific evidence from the reading in your response 2. Pose at least one question for discussion that would invite a peer to respond at the end of your original post 3. Respond to at least two (2) of your peers directly Instead of hitting the "Quote" button, simply use @thestudents name to signify your reply, this way we will not take up so much space (Thank you Emily Sarver for this idea)
All ground rules from in class discussion apply to the discussion board. You need not all agree with one another; however, academically present your stance.Article Link: www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-changes-travel-ban-countries/2017/09/24/1fef7cfe-a140-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.2f576ca94118Great article for talking points www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/politics/travel-ban-next-steps/index.html
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Post by Williams on Oct 1, 2017 21:29:04 GMT
President Trump has controversially stated that this travel is to "protect the security and interest of the United States". Although this statement is meant to bring comfort to the american people, this travel ban has proven to be a very hot topic. Despite popular opinion the Trump administration has stated that "The restrictions either previously or now were never, ever ever based on race, religion, or creed". Some have deemed this travel ban "racist" as it mainly targets predominately Muslim countries. However these countries have been on the United States radar since before Trump was elected and have posed serious concern to the security of the american people. The Trump administration has valid justification for every country being placed on this travel ban. These countries have potential to harm the United States, which is why they are in this position. The fact that they are mainly Muslim based is simply a coincidence.
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