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Post by Chloe Fetter on Apr 27, 2018 3:58:19 GMT
I believe that the conflict will continue to rage on on Nakba, the day that the protests are scheduled to cease. The Palestines have devoted so many years and plentiful energy into gaining their ancestors homeland back that I don't see them taking another loss. As for the Hama's being behind the protests, this could be a very plausible reason that Israel wouldn't let Palestine back in as the Hamas have threatening to destroy and overthrow Israel in the past. Israel doesn't want to take any chances on an argument that seems to never end. As we say in class, you never know someone's true motivation. It does seem slightly outdated that they are still fighting and shedding blood for land that they lost so long ago. However, Israel is taking very extreme measures in order to stop the protests which is also rather questionable. There are a mass amount of hypotheticals involved in this case. The UN and other countries are keeping quiet on the matter because Israel is a much stronger force than the Palestine population. Nobody wants to admit to Israel overzealous actions. Israel may be restricting the Palestines because they feel threatened by them in the case of a revolution which seems to be already beginning. It would be useful the Palestines to update the causes that they fight for. For example, they are treated very differently still. Their educations are generally scarce and the unemployment rate is almost 40% for the general population of areas like the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Nothing between Israel and Palestine will change if they are just unloading live ammunition into each other and rolling burning tires around, both parties need to.take the responsibility of creating a more equal society or the conflict will never be solved.
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Post by Olivia Girdwood on Apr 27, 2018 12:01:23 GMT
ricky There will never be a true peace that lasts between Israel and Palestine. As with our World War I readings, it seemed like there was peace for awhile, following a major conflict, but then it turned back around into another World War. Add religion and a belief system into it and I do not believe there will ever be peace. The two do not believe in the same religion, they have their own wants for their people, and they both want the same land; the land which they do not want the other on it. There have been conflict between religions for many many many years, and it does not seem to have an end. Religion, in my opinion, can drive someone even farther than money or incentives. While there may be a period of peace in the future, it will not last for very long.
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Post by Olivia Girdwood on Apr 27, 2018 12:05:58 GMT
brooke In regards to your question, neither one is wrong but neither one is right either. The Israelis are wrong in the sense they are cutting down supposedly innocent people, but they are right in the sense that they are defending their own land. They are just going about it in the wrong way. The Palestinians, on the other hand, are right in the sense they are wanting their ancestors homeland back, but wrong in the way they are going about it as well. I do not remember reading anything about them trying to schedule a meeting to discuss the chance for them to come back or make an agreement with Israel. Instead they are just hanging by a fence which can seem a little shady and make the Israeli military a little on edge. It seems as if they are two stubborn kids who don't know how to communicate or take out their anger in "good" ways.
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Post by Brooke Gentile on Apr 27, 2018 16:43:36 GMT
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To answer your question "Do you think that other countries will step in on this conflict, why?" I personally feel that it all depends on the country. Most countries try and maintain the peace, and try to stay out of unnecessary conflict that don't involve them. However, countries much like the Unites States that also like to maintain peace try and step in if human rights are being violated. The fact that this "war" has been going on for so long without anyone stepping in, makes it less likely that one will intervene in the near future. While what is happening in Gaza is terrible, they might have to fight this one on their own.
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Post by Maya French on Apr 28, 2018 23:53:55 GMT
@wyatt, in response to the question you posed, I think it is unlikely that this conflict will escalate to the mass violence of a genocide. In a case such as Rwanda's there was very little media coverage and the world seemed to just not care. There has been plenty of media coverage on this subject already and the UN has already been involved in providing housing for the displaced Palestinians. But, to go along with the question, if there were to be something along the lines of a genocide it is likely that it would not be accepted as such by other countries so that they could ignore the conflict and keep themselves unaffiliated. There have been other cases of mass death in the past year that could have easily been labled genocide and were in need of international intervention but were ignored. The world, as it stands in current day, is not one in which help comes without a price. Countries will only intervene when they can benefit from doing so.
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Post by Maya French on Apr 29, 2018 0:07:48 GMT
brooke, I thought that you took a very interesting stance on the conflict. When reading other responses it seems as though everyone sides with the Palestinians and sees the Israel military as being unjust beasts when you find them both to be at fault. Although I can not agree with your opinion that the Palestinians should cut their losses and give up the fight, I can agree that their tactics prove to not be enough. It is astonishing that they have maintained a peaceful protest this long while being under unjustified fire but people who are unarmed are being shot for simply approaching an area. The Israeli military is committing a terrible crime and I think that the Palestinians should continue their fight. This fight is no longer about the ancestors but it is the fight of the modern Palestinian for their right and compensation for the decades of mistreatment.
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Post by Meghan Miller on Apr 29, 2018 21:24:56 GMT
brooke To address your question "Do you think that the Israelis are in the wrong, or do you believe that both are equally at fault?". I believe that the Palestinians and the Israelis are equally at fault to the ongoing conflict. For this particular conflict of the 'The Great March to Return' it seems as thought the news articles we read wanted to make it seem as though the Israelis were completely at fault. Each article painted the picture as if the Israelis were the problem in this conflict, even though there was fault on both ends. Fear of terrorism and ongoing strife made the Israelis react very explosively, they are not expunged from blame. This border is a tense zone, so any changes in this area is going to be explosive. These two countries are no the only ones to blame, the outside forces that created this conflict are at more fault that Israel and Palestine combined.
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Post by Barbie Cessar on Apr 29, 2018 21:39:57 GMT
rickyPeace would require both Israel and Palestine to compromise borders and compensate for the past. Neither side fully realizes the human cost that will continue to increase until peace is established. They care more about a piece of land then a human life. The human casualties of 16 killed and 1,415 injured are just mere examples of what people are willing sacrifice for their religion. I don't see peace anytime in the near future because these people are willing to murder innocent lives for a conflict that has been going on since 1948.
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Post by Meghan Miller on Apr 29, 2018 22:54:47 GMT
@hunter In regards to your questions, "Do you think that other countries will step in on this conflict, why? If a country does step in (excluding the US) what is there to gain?" I so not believe that other countries will step in because the United States has such a strong stake in this conflict, many countries do not wish to lose ties to the Unites States, especially with such an explosive leader. Most countries do not even recognize Israel as a sovereign state, so if they were to get involved it would be on the side of the Palestinian protesters.
Palestine is a country that developed nations are more likely to interfere with, because they have a turbulent government, are controlled by a terror group, and have a lot of corruption. It is a country that gives a lot of power to outside influence because they are not very strong themselves.
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Post by jonah on Apr 30, 2018 1:29:00 GMT
Brooke
I think both sides are at fault here. There has been conflict in the region for years and the Palestinian people knew better then to go into an area at which they could be shot.
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Post by jonah on Apr 30, 2018 1:30:35 GMT
rickyI think peace could be possible as long as both sides swallow their pride and split the region in half. What is the worst that could happen? if it is split in two then no one would have to fight anymore
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Post by Brooke Gentile on Apr 30, 2018 2:05:11 GMT
rickyTo answer your question "Will peace ever be made between Israel and Palestine?" you have to look at how long this peace struggle has been going on for. This has dated back to as far as 1948, and there has yet to be an agreement and/or an equal understanding of the others needs. I feel that there will never be peace between Israel and Palestine only because this conflict has been drug out for so long with no one intervening and no compromise. Many people are dying and I feel that they need to learn how to tolerate each other if they ever want to live in peace again.
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Post by Makayla Rieder on Apr 30, 2018 3:21:39 GMT
brooke I think that the Israelis are in the wrong for the most part. They are the ones shooting at people who are (mostly) peacefully protesting. The Palestinians are just standing up for something they believe in, and the Israelis are taking it as a threat.
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Post by Makayla Rieder on Apr 30, 2018 3:33:26 GMT
@hunter I don’t think that other countries will try to step in unless something drastic happens that forces them into it. There is already so much drama and criticism around Israel right now, so anyone stepping in would just amplify the criticism and publicity around the country. It would be risky to step in on such a heated conflict without getting into more than what they bargained for.
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Post by Maddy Crighton on Apr 30, 2018 4:16:34 GMT
brooke
To answer your question “Do you think the Israelis are wrong, or do you think both groups are equally wrong?” I feel as though both groups are in the wrong due to the fact that no killing or inhuman acts should be committed but also because this conflict has been occurring for years upon years and no solution has been made, each group needs to come up with a resolution even if the have opposing opinions. They need to accept the fact that both are determined to get what they want and ultimately will prevent the other from obtaining it.
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