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Post by Admin on Jan 24, 2018 12:37:41 GMT
“Descending On A Montana Town, Neo-Nazi Trolls Test Where Free Speech Ends” This current events case study will ask you to apply content knowledge from class (specifically protections found in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights) matched against the argument that certain speech should not be allowed because it is viewed as harassment or intimidation. We will “test” where free speech ends and determine when free speech “should” be protected and when it should not.Resources: Central Articles: www.npr.org/2018/01/23/579884628/victims-of-neo-nazi-troll-storm-find-difficulties-doing-something-about-itwww.cnn.com/2017/12/03/us/daily-stormer-troll-storm-lawsuit/index.htmlnews.vice.com/en_ca/article/xwv3j4/troll-storm-lawsuit-against-neo-nazi-may-provide-blueprint-for-fighting-online-harassmentOpinion piece: www.nytimes.com/2016/12/20/opinion/an-anti-semitic-troll-storm-in-montana.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=6CEEB8D29D11814B939BC99D88A67E25&gwt=pay&assetType=opinionAdditional Resources: www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/neo-naziwww.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression-aclu-position-paperPossible Points of Discussion: 1.) “They went right past free speech rights, residents say, and made credible threats of violence.” Citing specific evidence to support your stance do you agree or disagree with this statement? 2.) “It is not OK to harass people, it is not OK to intimidate people.” Discuss the conflict between a citizen’s “freedom of speech” and another citizen’s claim that the speech is harassment or intimidating. 3.) " The courts have generally ruled that speech doesn't become illegal unless a threat is "imminent." Discuss how you interpret imminent. 4.) Is there a difference between “trolling” on the Internet and organizing rally’s or parades based on a certain ideology? 5.) Which citizen’s right “wins” here? Gersh’s protection from harass/ intimidation or Anglin's argument that he is entitled to protection of his speech? Response: For your original responses, make sure to think across all readings and include specific reference to the resources. The original posts are not meant to be a summary, but a response to the posed points of discussion, while sharing your stance on the topic WITH EVIDENCE to support from the readings. Original posts should be thoughtful, cite the readings and be approximately 350-400 words in length. These are due by 11:59pm on Sunday January 28th Thoughtfully (with more than one sentence) response to two peers (@peer's name) by Wednesday, January 31 at the start of your class period.With reading all of the resources, this could be a really interesting and academically engaging discussion board Happy Posting! AM
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Post by Abby WIlson on Jan 25, 2018 2:59:37 GMT
The group of people labeled the “neo nazis” is an organization of people who chose to specifically discriminate against the Jews as if they were under German rule during the Holocaust. In the article published by The National Public Radio, it states, “They went right past free speech rights, residents say, and made credible threats of violence.” I completely agree with the people. It is one thing to dislike someone's beliefs but if you go out of you way to discriminate against them and send them threats just because you don't agree with something they do, is ridiculous. You are allowed to use your free speech to verbally disagree with someone's beliefs but going as far as to “bully” them, is violating the rights of others and abusing the first amendment right to free speech. So who is the victim in this situation? This is question many people have, Vice News said, “It is not OK to harass people, it is not OK to intimidate people.” There is constant and growing conflict between a citizen’s right to free speech and another citizen’s claim that the said “free speech” was threatening and discriminating. So the thing we as a country need to figure out is where to draw that line. How far is too far in terms of free speech? No one knows the answer to that question because everyone has different interpretations of their rights. "The courts have generally ruled that speech doesn't become illegal unless a threat is "imminent." Imminent is another word that is very vague and it can often be interpreted in many ways as well. In this case, imminent means that the threat would need to be serious enough to be considered harmful to your life or someone else’s. How would something like this compare to a situation in which one or more people threatened society? The word “rallies” typically has a negative association so when used, many people think poorly of the people who participate in them. Is it fair to discriminate against that group of people who rallies but could possibly be a threat to you? Andrew Anglin believes his fight to protect his first amendment right of free speech is of higher standing than Gersh’s fight to protect herself from harassment. In this case, Gersh’s right to protect herself and others from discrimination and harassment is the winning cause because Anglin took things so far as to say he is going to cremate them and if that isn’t imminent then I don’t know what is.
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Post by Madison Lindey on Jan 26, 2018 2:06:00 GMT
“Judging a person does not define who they are? It defines who you are?” This quote is unknown by who wrote it, but it is not unknown about what it says. For years people have been fighting to be treated equally and not to be discriminated against just because of who they are, how they looked, and how they acted. When people decide to use the first amendment rights against other people we are able to see their true colors shine. In the article produced by The National Public Radio, it says, "They went right past free speech rights, residents say, and made credible threats of violence.” This is true whenever you read what happened to a lady with the name of Tanya Gersh, she was a Jewish women who lived in Whitefish, Mont. she was harassed by a man named Andrew Anglin. Andrew put personal information out about Tanya and it only caused more problems, for example, “one call to Gersh's personal cell phone was a recording of gunfire.” When something like this happens we are able to see that this is not right and that we need to protect the people who decide to harm and make threats towards other people, this is crossing the line of what the first amendment is truly intended for. Are we really going to allow people to use their first amendment rights to put other peoples lives in harm's way? From the article Vice News, we are able to discover that, “It is not OK to harass people, it is not OK to intimidate people.” When people are harassing others because they feel like it is necessary it can end up getting dangerous and cause more harm to the person than they think. “Gersh told the Guardian that she is no longer working and attends trauma therapy twice a week.” People can destroy others lives just based on the words that they say and the actions that they take. Is this truly worth it? Even though the courts have generally ruled that speech does not become illegal until the threat has been made is imminent. This should not be the right mindset for this, so you are going to let the people suffer and have hardships just because nothing serious or life threatening has happened at that very moment. Are we not considering what happened to people like Gersh, this women has to go through her daily life struggling because nothing imminent has not happened yet. The courts need to act quicker and be more assertive and show that they are fighting for the rights of the individuals who are suffering and try to protect them any way they can. Gersh’s protection from harass and intimidation should win over what Anglin’s thinking of his entitlement to free speech. Anglin does not deserve to win after all he has put Gersh through, even though Anglin is a neo-Nazis, his beliefs and costumes should not interfere with the rights of Gersh herself. He has hurt her in so many ways and has become a burden for her family as well. Why are people wanting to hurt the lives of an individual in order to protect what they think is right?
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Post by Michael Dudich on Jan 26, 2018 2:57:21 GMT
The First amendment protects our freedom of speech to a certain degree and allows us to voice our own opinion and to raise awareness about topics we thing need to be talked about. But when terroristic like threats are made, personal information is leaked, and constant discrimination and hate is put forward on the behalf of others beliefs, there first amendment rights don't protect them anymore and they should be considered a menace to society. Tanya Gersh, a mother living in the small resort town in Whitefish Montana has become under fire by internet trolls and neo nazis because of her religion. Mr. Anglins, (the owner of a popular neo nazi website) is responsible for the discrimination this woman has received. He has asked his follows on his site called “The Daily Stormer” to send her hateful comments via social media and has even gone so far as to realise some of her personal information online for all to see. This goes beyond freedom of speech and the first amendment should no longer protect him. In the article on Vice its states that “At last count, Ms. Gersh has received more than 700 instances of harassment against her family as a result of Mr. Anglin’s troll storm,” says a lawsuit Gersh filed against Anglin in Montana on April 18.”. This should go beyond just freedom of speech. Because of all the harassment Mrs. Gersh now goes to trauma therapy twice a week and now is in constant fear says Vice. Why should the first amendment be aloud to enable such hate towards people? Sense she has filed her lawsuit the recent hate has died down as Mr. Anglin asked not for people to harass her. But does this end here? Mrs. Gershes whole family was at risk here, even the jewish community in Whitefish was at risk. Just as your not aloud to make threats in public places why are you aloud to make them on the internet? If you have a whole community threatening people freedom of speech should not apply. Should the internet threats be treated any differently than public ones? And how should these things be dealt with?
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Post by Grace on Jan 26, 2018 13:27:18 GMT
In the town of Whitefish Montana, Jewish citizens were threatened with a Neo-Nazi “troll storm” along with personal threats and racial slurs. This was organized by Andrew Anglin, founder of the Neo-Nazi website, he called out to his “followers” and asked them to express their hatred for Jewish people. Anglin leaked personal information including the address, phone number, and social media accounts of Tanya Gersh in attempt to harass and intimidate her along with the Jewish community in which she lives. In the article from Vice it says “At last count Ms. Gersh received more than 700 instances of harassment against her family as a result of Mr. Anglins troll storm.” Anglin argues him and his fans have the right to freedom of speech. He isn’t wrong, but when the speech directly threatens, discriminates and harasses individuals not to mention a whole town a line must be drawn. We all know that our freedom of speech comes with restrictions, you can’t yell fire in a mall and cause panic, or threaten someone’s life in public, so why is it ok online? It’s not, Anglin and his followers are much in the wrong for their acts of hatred towards a Jewish community. In doing this Anglin violated Montana’s Human Rights Act which strictly prohibits discrimination based on race, religion, gender, etc. The threats were incredibly intimidating and racial, but the courts said the speech does not become illegal unless the threats are “imminent” or are likely to happen soon, and since no physical harm was done the courts are at odds with this case. Even though the much threatened “armed troll storm” did not occur the effects Anglin had on Gersh and her community are serious. Gersh said she is no longer able to work and attends trauma therapy twice a week, but it doesn’t stop there. Even Gersh’s twelve year old son and husband were harassed on social media. Anglin intentionally harassed and discriminated individuals based on race, and this surpasses any protection of free speech he had. So who’s right is protected? Anglins right to freedom of speech or Gersh’s right to protect herself from harassment and discrimination? Where does the line for online harassment need to be drawn?
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Post by Hinchberger on Jan 28, 2018 6:23:22 GMT
Our Founding Fathers called the Framers made the Bill of Rights so that citizens would have protected rights from the government and other personnel that would attempt to infringe upon these rights. One of these rights was to protect the freedom of speech which was the First Amendment. In the case of Neo-Nazi followers threatening a mom from Montana just because she was a Jew is not ok because it goes past the line of free speech and crosses into the area of harassment. The Mom’s name is Tanya Gersh and there were terroristic threats made against her by the Neo-Nazi’s because Mr. Anglins, the website owner of “The Daily Stormer”, released Gersh’s personal contact information and called upon his followers to voice their opinion about her and her beliefs. These followers voiced their hateful opinions by social media networks that were associated with Tanya Gersh. These social attacks against Gersh go past the first amendment right to freedom of speech because “700 instances of harassment” as said in the Vice article is unacceptable and breaking the law because it makes a person feel unsafe, emotionally distressed, and makes them fear for their life. This clearly surpasses the first amendment right because it has permanently affected Gersh’s life forever which now means that she is attending therapy because of all the things that were said threatening her and her family. CNN reports that the hate messages have died down since the lawsuit has been filed by Gersh. Even though there is an extensive amount of harassment evidence none of them can be considered actual threats because there is no evidence of imminent danger or violence detected. According to NPR Roston which was another harassment receiver would say otherwise “Roston filed police reports, installed a home security system and even decided to get firearms training and purchased her first handgun. I wanted to make sure I could protect myself and protect my family” This is a perfect example of how this is way past the first amendment right because the Neo-Nazi group is affecting someone else's life by making them feel as they need multiple safety systems for their own life protection. These are some major influences of why I think that these Neo-Nazi people should be held accountable for their actions against these Jewish people and the town.
Do you think that these messages crossed the first amendment line into terroristic threats? Do you think Mr. Anglins should be held accountable for life threatening terroristic threats?(If that is what they are).
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Post by Hinchberger on Jan 28, 2018 6:29:54 GMT
@lindey's original response: I completely agree that it crosses the line because if someone feels the need to go out of their way to feel safe like taking a firearm training class, purchasing a handgun, and buying a home security system that means the "trolling" has gone way to far and should be rightfully stopped by law enforcement because it has gone from voicing their opinion to permanently affecting the rest of their lives.
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Post by Hinchberger on Jan 28, 2018 6:38:09 GMT
@abby WIlson's original response: I find it interesting that you said "the line" will never be definitively drawn for there will always be different views on what is and is not considered within their rights. But I have to completely agree with you because it is impossible to write out every scenario that would be up for interpretation of what is and is not covered by a particular right.
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Post by Hinchberger on Jan 28, 2018 6:46:31 GMT
@grace's original response: I found your proposed questions at the end of your response very intriguing because it is basically a freedom verses equality question which I found very connected to our class discussion of freedom vs order vs equality. Good connections between the class and the current event topic.
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Post by Hinchberger on Jan 28, 2018 6:56:54 GMT
@michael Dudich's original response: I like how you brought up the question that: if it was in public or online and why are they treated differently? because it is very true that if you say something face to face with someone there seems to be more consequences than if you said the same thing online towards the same person. I think this is this way because people do not take online criticisms as harsh as they would in real life because it is much harder to express the attitude in which the message was intended to be said. Like attitudes: joking, serious, friendly criticism, threatening, etc.
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Post by Davis on Jan 28, 2018 21:07:03 GMT
Through the first amendment to the constitution we are able to exercise our right to free speech. In Whitefish Montana there was an incident where a group called neo Nazzis led by Andrew Anglin attacked residents that were jewish and used hateful speech and even death threats. The Jewish residents believe that all of this is a violation of the first amendment which is freedom of speech. This pushed one resident, Tanya Gersh, who was getting harassed really bad to file a lawsuit claiming that the neo Nazzis violated the first amendment. In an article published by the National Public Radio it states the neo Nazzis “went right past free speech rights, residents say, and made credible threats of violence”. I would agree with the people in this case since there were awful death threats and such bad harassment. You shouldn't be aloud to discriminate as bad as giving death threats were Tanya Gersh as stated in an article by CNN says “she was haunted by the images, and feared for her and her family's life so much that they debated fleeing the state because the threats felt so real”. In an article by vice news David Dinelli states “It is not OK to harass people, it is not OK to intimidate people”. Many citizens will claim that the neo Nazzis speech was harrasing and intimidating and say that it's a violation of free speech but then the neo Nazzis claim that it was not a violation and they should be protected under the first amendment. Where will the line be drawn in this case? No one knows but it's up to the courts to decide. "The courts have generally ruled that speech doesn't become illegal unless a threat is "imminent”. I would interpret imminent as a threat that is most likely going to happen or is detrimental to a person. In this case the threat is most certainly imminent. Gersh and her family were getting multiple threats that they couldn't feel safe at all or in their own home which shows it was detrimental to their lives. I feel the courts will rule in favor of Gersh and say that anglin and the neo Nazzis overstepped the line of free speech with all their threats ruining lives and making people feel very unsafe.
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Post by Mulneix on Jan 28, 2018 22:46:06 GMT
After a dispute between two people in Whitefield Montana in witch nothing is conclusive the founder of a neo Nazi website Andrew Anglin called for a large amount of people to troll a local Jewish woman Ms. Gersh which led to threats, harassment, and anti-sematic remarks. With as heinous as this can be some people question where freedom of speech stops and legal action has to take place. Ms. Gersh received over 700 instances of harassment according to vice in which law enforcement have deemed the threats to be too vague and they could not do anything about it. This shows that none of the threats were imminent which would not be protected by the first amendment. The law would define an imminent threat if the person being threatened was in danger of serious physical harm or death. So, if the cops did nothing about the hateful messages she was getting, she was not in danger of physical harm. Releasing the contact information and inciting a mob of people to send messages to a person is considered a bad thing to do but he can still do it. Even if the threats she got were considered imminent as long as Anglin isn’t the one to sending the threats he would not be accountable because he can’t control what others say. When it comes to the lawsuit between Gersh and Anglin, Anglin would probably win due to the fact that he didn’t send hatful messages directly to her himself and His attorney claims that he didn’t send people to threaten her with the quote from an CNN article being “Anglin's attorneys argue that he "specifically disclaims calling for threats or harassment," but rather that he called for "campaign of making our voices heard." The case would probably be boiled down to a person took something to far and someone feels unsafe because there’s mean people on the internet, but she could use that he disclosed personal information about her or that people are leaving bad reviews about her business which could damaging to her income.
If a judge ruled against unpopular opinion how detrimental would it be for freedom of speech? How can we prevent people from inciting hate without restricting freedom of speech?
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Post by Antal on Jan 29, 2018 1:49:22 GMT
In regards to Ms. Mastrean's 5th possible point of discussion, I believe that Gersh’s protection from harassment/intimidation “wins” in this case. The most relevant case Ms. Gersh has against Mr. Anglin would be his wrongdoing of “intentional infliction of emotional distress and violations of Montana’s Anti-Intimidation Act.” Southern Poverty Law Center co-counsel John Morrison says it well when he claims, “[Anglin’s actions are] not free speech, this is nothing protected by the First Amendment, this is not the expression of political opinion. The purpose of this is to damage these people, the purpose of this is to cause them fear and emotional harm, and that’s illegal.” Anglin’s lawyers downplay their client’s antics when they state, “Even Nazi expression, no matter the psychic harm on Jewish residents, is nonetheless protected speech.” But, Anglin’s misdeeds go far beyond just “speech.” According to the CNN article, Anglin and his online companions used anti-Semitic slurs, edited images of Ms. Gersh’s face on the gates of the Nazi Auschwitz death camp, and left voicemails with the sound of gunshots. I agree with the statement of the Glacier Jewish Community rabbi, Francine Roston, when she says, “I understand free speech, but imagery directed toward Jews because they’re Jews relating to the Holocaust, the message there is ‘we want you dead.’” The wrongdoers even sent messages to Ms. Gersh’s family members on social media, and called for an armed neo-Nazi march through the streets of Whitefish. A First-Amendment attorney claimed that “this is the price of admission to a free society, even if you find Mr. Anglin’s views abhorrent.” I hope that our society holds themselves to a higher standard than Mr. Anglin’s conduct towards Ms. Gersh, and I believe the price of his actions should result in some form of penalty. For the reasons I have listed above, I believe that Mr. Anglin’s actions are clearly uncalled for and that Ms. Gersh is entitled to protection from harassment and intimidation by law. If those that carry out the law in our country do not punish Mr. Anglin for his actions, this case will serve as a benchmark that other trouble-making individuals will point to when seeking their own protection from lawsuits.
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Post by Antal on Jan 29, 2018 1:56:28 GMT
Discussion Questions Related to My Post:
Do you agree with my opinion that other trouble-making individuals will use this case to defend themselves in potential future lawsuits if Mr. Anglin receives no punishment?
If Mr. Anglin was "trolling" someone online without bringing religion into the picture, do you think he should face consequences? Why or Why Not?
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Post by Antal on Jan 29, 2018 2:01:52 GMT
@mulneix original response:
When it comes to online posts, I believe any hateful content should be monitored by the particular website and deleted if necessary. If people would learn to censor themselves and find more productive things to do than hide behind a computer and type hateful things we would be much better off as a society.
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