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Post by Stoughton on Nov 7, 2017 2:07:02 GMT
pflugh You pose an interesting question at the end of your statement. I do not believe Catalonia would go into war with their mothering country. Mainly because, if they did become independent, they would still be neighbor's to Spin. More often than not, neighboring countries tend to form binds and unbreakable alliances. Having said that, i just does not make sense for them to rip themselves from something that goes much deeper than them wanting their own individual identity. Spain would be returned over $5.2 million in debt which would ultimately mean their economic crisis that the're facing now would be 10x worse.
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Post by murdo on Nov 7, 2017 2:38:15 GMT
@novak
In response to your ending question...... I believe that if Catalonia gets away with becoming independent many more countries will try. This is for sure the spark that would light the fire. There is a reason that President Trump and many other leaders are on Spain's side. That reason is because they believe this too, they know that if Catalonia can do it than so can other peoples. They gave their opinion in order to show a "big brother" point of view and to show that it will be important that they stay because if you let one person do it you are obligated to let the next one do it too and that could cause serious issues.
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Post by Murdock on Nov 7, 2017 2:56:02 GMT
Ridgeway
I am thinking the same things as you are in the end of your post. Is there any peaceful way to go about things or will it end with "war". If it does not end with an actual war then it will more than likely end with much worse riots and more deaths. Sadly, if Catalonia and the rest of Spain could not find a way to agree with each other before then they probably cannot talking things out this far along. I am most worried about the rest of Spain if Catalonia really does become independent because they would lose so much economically... and if their economy crashes the people will turn to their survival instincts and more issues will occur.
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Post by Bell on Nov 7, 2017 13:03:18 GMT
@caldwell In my eyes, I believe this is very similar to our civil war. They are fighting to become their own place and they are not doing it for an invalid reason. I really like how you added that into your stance!
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Post by Bell on Nov 7, 2017 13:08:32 GMT
@gill Your question is one that I asked myself the entire time while reading up on this case. Catalonia is a very wealthy place and because of that it makes me want to believe that they will be able to succeed and strive by themselves. Then again the more I look at how Spain uses them for a lot but they also use Spain it makes me wonder how this is going to play out. This was a great question!
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Post by campbell on Nov 7, 2017 14:28:25 GMT
Confer if Catalonia wasn’t such a wealthy area Spain would not care as much about them seeking independence. Spain is going to take advantage of Catalonia by not giving them what they want and conutinuing to over tax them to help Spain financially. If it were a poorer area of Spain trying to leave I truly believe that it would not be as big of a problem
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Post by campbell on Nov 7, 2017 14:35:30 GMT
@caldwell if Catalonia does get independence I don’t think other areas of Spain would try to get it. The only reason Catalonia is seeking it is because they were already independent at one point and had their own culture that is different from Spain’s. Also, Catalonia is the wealthiest colony so they can support themselves, the others colonies in Spain wouldn’t have enough money to keep a government running or go independent. So If Catalonia becomes independent everything else will stay the same
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Post by valera on Nov 7, 2017 16:54:50 GMT
@connor I find it interesting that you make the connection to brexit. It does seem like this “break for independence” situation has happened a few times and it wouldn’t surprise me if this became a historical trend of our time. I do agree that Spain may not be handling the situation best and an impending civil war or any kind of violent conflict seems like too much action to take on - as you said - “peaceful voters”. Overall it will be interesting to see where this goes since both sides have valid arguments for their positions and this could be a big change for the economy of Spain and for the world in general.
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Post by Valera on Nov 7, 2017 17:01:33 GMT
@gills I do think that it is a possibility that Catalonia could become independent and if all of its citizens (90%) are fully on board and in favor of a break for independence, then - in the eyes of the Catalans - it can’t be a waste of time. From the perspective of other countries or from Spain in particular, they would see this break for independence as a waste of time. I think one way that Spain would deal with this is through physical action or war. I don’t think that a Spanish civil war would be A good option but it is still possible. A civil war could weaken the country and make it succeptible to outside forces attacking (terrorists). Overall it will be very interesting to see what course of action Spain takes to deal with this issue.
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Post by Baker on Nov 7, 2017 17:23:24 GMT
Confer I don’t think that if Catalonia wasn’t so important to the economy that they would be so adamant about making them stay. I personally feel as if Catalonia is being a little bit selfish with the way they are acting. They make up 20% of the economic income and if they leave it will definitely screw everyone else over. They need understand how this will affect everyone.
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Post by Baker on Nov 7, 2017 17:25:49 GMT
@gills I do think they are sort of wasting their time. If they become independent they’re going to have to fight tooth and nail for it. They are way to important just to let them go. Like I’ve said if they do it’s going to be super unfair to everyone else.
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Post by neely on Nov 8, 2017 20:34:45 GMT
On October 1st, there was a vote to declare independence for Catalonia, which is within the borders of Spain. Spain has stated that the need for their independence is very unjust and somewhat unconstitutional. For the people of Catalonia the future outcomes are not too promising. To the Catalonians it is very unfair since they have been giving so much and then in return receive very little. I initially thought why are we focusing so much on this issue than other worldly problems at hand, but then I had to dive deeper in the reading to develop a better understanding. Also while reading some articles, I found myself asking if there would ever be a solution to this? I have concluded that most likely if there would be more involvement or interaction with the surrounding area, then this could potentially be possible for Catalonia. For example, involvement from Spain would be helpful or from any other surrounding places. Social contract is a big part of this situation and it can be defined as an implicit agreement among the members of a society to cooperate for social benefits, for example by sacrificing some individual freedom for state protection. In this situation that is the exact issue Catalonia is facing with Spain.
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Post by neely on Nov 8, 2017 21:19:50 GMT
@gills
I believe in this particular situation that in a sense Catalonia is in a tight situation and that can become a waste of time. In addition, if I was in that position I would most definitely want my freedom from Spain just or nearly as much as they do now. The question you asked if it was a waste of time is very opinionated and has strong arguments for both sides
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Post by neely on Nov 8, 2017 21:23:13 GMT
sierranagyYour question about the correctness brings up a very good point. Is there really ever a way of being correct? In addition to that, do we really know what is "right" and "wrong" for Catalonia? That is very hard to tell at this point. I do agree with some of the justifications for freedom that are being made but I am quite still undecided if there is a "correct" way.
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