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Post by Henry on Apr 13, 2018 12:55:18 GMT
@mcdermott In response to your question, as society progresses and new weapons are invented chemical weapons could be replaced by other weapons or they could become even more prominent. The way he handle the use of chemical weapons now will dictate how they are used in the future. if we continue to condemn the use of chemical weapons and instill punishments for those who do employ them then it is possible to eliminate the use of them during war time. But as we have observed throughout the class, some people will do what they want no matter how harsh the consequences.
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Post by McIlwain on Apr 13, 2018 14:36:55 GMT
For quite some time, Syria and Bashar al-Assad’s regime have struggled to maintain peace in their own country, let alone establish healthy relationships with others. An example of this is the connection between Syria and the State of Israel, although it is as far away from a healthy relationship as a relationship could be, considering Syria has threatened to use their chemical weapons against “the Jews” several times, in which Israel and its allies retaliated. This threat alone would be just enough for foreign intervention, considering the United States’ stance in the Middle East and intervention in that part of the world. Nonetheless, we must look at the bigger picture, as with most things in politics. Were the US to individually terminate Syrian leaders - as extreme a circumstance as this might be - for the continued harm they are enacting on their own people, how would other nations respond? Well, we can start with Russia, and their stance in the Syrian conflict. Since the recent attack in Douma, Russia has given multiple statements, most of which claim that the Syrian attack was “staged by foreign agents,” as one BBC article explains. This is typical of Russia to exclaim, as they have been militaristically backing the Syrian government since its alliance. Back to the point, if the US were to put the nail in the coffin in Syria, if they were to ever succeed, it would mean another conflict with Russia; not an end to the book, but merely another chapter. Hence why not only acting quickly, but carefully is so important.
One must also look at the idea behind chemical weapons, and how they differ from the conventional ones we have grown so used to seeing or even handling ourselves. The primary element of chemical weapons is to attack the person at their health. The attack in Douma was a supposed use of organophosphate, as abc.net’s science experts report:
“All these chemicals work in much the same way by inhibiting an enzyme called acetylcholinesterase at the nerve junction (synapse).”
“Acetylcholine acts mainly on the body's autonomic nervous system — the body's involuntary nervous system — which controls things such as heart rate, respiratory rate, salivation, digestion, pupil dilation, and urination.”
So, the weapons the world must deal with now includes dying from internal destruction. Lovely.
All in all, if and when other countries act on this Syrian matter, they must take into consideration the citizens of the country, something that the leaders themselves have not done. (Question:) If there is such a way to solve the issue with little bloodshed, I cannot explain what it is, nor might it even exist.
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Post by sierranagy on Apr 13, 2018 15:57:28 GMT
On a decision as significant as the one approaching, President Trump would be wise to consult Congress before and, despite his predecessor doing otherwise in similar situations. However, the President has essentially already committed a unilateral action by taking to twitter and announced that there would be a “big price”. There will indeed be a big price paid, but the United States may be the one to pay. Social media has become a key platform for politics, and the President’s choice to sloppily exercise his free speech could have been intentional, advised to him to further his interests. If the Tweets were purposeful, they were decidedly successful. After These postings, the chances of America backing out of action is greatly reduced, for even if he were to address Congress now they would feel more inclined to take action as to not to appear feeble. Not only would Congress be more likely to agree with Trump’s ideals as not to look weak, but to maintain relations with other allies. Both the leaders of England and France had agreed with President Trump’s position, and on three separate phone calls these nations concurred that there should be a strong international response to the “Utterly reprehensible” attacks in Syria. If Congress were to attempt to combat the President now, we would be looked on poorly by not only our rivals, but our allies, leaving them with a mess that we had all agreed to go in on. Interestingly, the UK is facing a similar conflict of executive action as the US. Many UK government officials have shown concern that their Prime Minister must consult with their parliament before taking any initiative, in accordance with issues that had arose prior where unilateral action were detrimental to the reputation of Prime Ministers. (The Guardian). Should the other nations decide to withdraw their support for whatever reason, the United States would be in wise to remove itself as well, however, Trump’s online actions have hindered the possibilities of America’s escape as well. The extent of which the US will participate in the punishment of Syria is yet undetermined, but it is clear to many in other nations as well as our own that action must be taken, due to the relatively global acceptance that this type of warfare is never necessary unless it is in response to another country doing so. Although seem will deem it unnecessary or would rather avoid furthering any conflicts with other countries, the likelyhood of the US not taking action due to President Trump’s strategic move (not physically making an executive order but rather placing Congress in a position where it must conform) the chances are slim.
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Post by Neely on Apr 13, 2018 16:47:55 GMT
@elliott I really like how you worded your original response, in addition I agree with most of what you said. In order to resolve this issue, little bloodshed is not even a question, because I believe that at some point in time one side will end it faster than the other. "Little bloodshed", will not be a word to describe however it (the chemical weapons situations/attacks) will turn out.
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Post by Novak on Apr 13, 2018 20:39:04 GMT
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Post by caldwell on Apr 14, 2018 2:38:59 GMT
@mcdermott In response to your posed question, I don't believe that there is a way to terminate the overall use of chemical weapons. People have found other ways of torture and that is through chemical weaponry as the best example shown in history was Hitler and the treatment he gave towards Jews. Since then and before chemical weapons were used to hurt others. I believe that once you invent something and it gets in the hands of a destructive, power seeking individual or nation there is no way to reverse actions taken. Something other than chemical weaponry could have been invented to help in a particular situation ex. dynamite, which was invented to help speed the oil mining process. Once the device was put in the hands of a power seeking individual dynamite became an explosive to hurt others. Therefore, I don't believe that there is a way to specifically terminate the overall use of chemical weapons or other destructive mechanisms.
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Post by Caldwell on Apr 14, 2018 2:57:12 GMT
@mcilwain In response to your question, I think that sadly in today's society there is no way to solve foreign issues with the act or possibility of blood being shed. When nations are in disagreement with specific morals they threat each other by saying "If this doesn't get resolved (in a specific amount of time) then the punishment with be bloodshed on your land". Society has figured that when people within there nation disagree on morals then they (the nation and its people) should talk and of at least come to a compromise. But, when the same type of situation happens between two nation's threats or warning about bloodshed is the first words to be stated. This just makes perfect sense?? In other words I don't think that the possibility or act of blood being shed when nations disagree will disappear.
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Post by Murdock on Apr 14, 2018 3:10:24 GMT
Due to the extremely unfortunate situation that has happened in Syria, American leaders feel obligated to help the innocent people that can not fight back at their government. The government is meant to protect the people from danger; not expose their own people to danger that they intentionally cause. These people need help and if no one else is willing to help Syrians then America feels obligated to help them. But there are many risks that President Trump pushes depending on how he handles the situation. If troops were sent to Syria we automatically put our own men and women in trouble. Now we would risk the lives of innocent American men and women over something that did not originally affect America. By interfering with the Syrian government we make America itself a more dangerous place. There are current issues with ISIS that are already in place between America and the terrorist group. By interfering with the Syrian government we heighten the tension between America and ISIS. Now (11:00pm) that other countries are are helping the Syrian people it does not make America stand out to Syria. Due to the countries joining each other to stop the nuclear warfare it takes pressure off of America. Now, these countries want to end nuclear warfare, reasonably, to save innocent people. By doing this America is making good connections with other countries overseas, \working against Russia and Iran with many other countries. Nations, France and Britain along with America will go together to end this.
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Post by Murdock on Apr 14, 2018 3:14:25 GMT
McIlwain I was thinking the same thing that you were when it comes to bloodshed. I do not know if there is a way to avoid bloodshed with all of these countries getting involved with the issue. Also, If the Syrian government is willing to kill their own innocent people then there is no reason that they would refrain from killing other troops.
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Post by Murdock on Apr 14, 2018 3:20:10 GMT
@caldwell I do believe that there is reason for not taking direct action when it comes to approaching Syria. In my opinion, their government does not care and consider other's lives and i believe that it causes others such as America to watch what they do when approaching because no ones what the Syrian government will do in return.
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Post by campbell on Apr 14, 2018 3:34:52 GMT
Syrian president assad has done what many people have feared for decades. He has began the use of chemical weapons on his own people. Previously, former President Barack Obama was aware of the chemical weapon use in syria and said that assad was crossing the “red line” but decided not to take action on this crisis. Now, Donald Trump is in office and agrees that president assad is crossing the “red line”. Unlike Obama, President Trump has decided to take action. For example, President Trump decided to unilaterally (the United States alone) carry out airstrikes against the Assad air force base that is allegedly responsible for the attack. The president is allowed to make the decision of becoming involved because he is the commander in chief of the military and can extend his powers in this time of crisis and security. Also, the United States has to consider russia’s involvement. If we take action on the epidemic in Syria, we will have “bad blood” with Russia who is also one of the war powerhouses. President Trump will have to think the whole situation through before further involvement in the syrian crisis takes place. People tend to put the fate of the world into terms of chemical warfare because it is the most deadly and inhumane. In some situations, Chemical weapons are better suited, but when morals come into play they are frowned upon due to the way they affect people. One gas Assad used on his people is known as phosgene, which leads to lung damage and suffocation, he also used mustard gas, which causes chemical burns and can result in a very painful death. These chemicals are inhumane and exceed most people's views on how wars should be fought. Although Chemical weapons may seem more efficient in warfare, but they should not be used. Chemical warfare is inhuman and needs to be prevented from now on to insure that we citizens are safe.
Question to consider: should the united states take action on a crisis that is not directly affecting the country?
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Post by CBluedorn on Apr 14, 2018 3:36:51 GMT
While the role should not fall to the President alone, some person or persons in the U.S. need to make decisions about taking action in these circumstances. While America is often criticized for its involvement in other countries, an attack like this on civillians with a weapon such as Chemical Gas, action needs to be taken. Chemical weapons are banned militarily for a few reasons. First, they are difficult to control, so it is difficult to tell exactly who it is going to effect when deployed. It is also due to the tremendous psychological torture poisonous gases cause and the debilitating affects that people suffer from decades afterward. The U.S. also needs to sbow resolve and strength when challenged. The U.S. stated that action would be taken if an event like this occured, and to not make good on that promise would comprimise the authority and integrity of the United States.
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Post by Stoughton on Apr 14, 2018 3:45:37 GMT
In lieu of yet another on of President Trump’s questionably appropriate twitter responses to a serious situation, there are some things to keep in mind. For starters, the United States and its European allies ordered strikes on Syria in suspicion if illegal use of chemical weapons during warfare. Going back to class discussion, a President is not, under any circumstances, above the law. That’s not to say some presidents haven’t changed the law in their favor, but I’m excluding that from my argument. As the head of the executive branch in a structurally sound tree, the President MUST live, breathe, and act all in the favor of the people they’re serving. Assad launched an attack within his own country. The city of Damascus was believed to be largely anti-Syrian government. The process killed mostly innocent civilians. To reiterate, I understand why Trump feels it is inhumane and cruel, but there are other ways to go about this rather than poking the bear. No one can say for sure how they would act in such a situation, but most people are certain of how they wouldn’t act. Suspecting uses of chemical weapons is a big deal. They’re so inhumane because of the immense pain and damage they cause internally and externally. My understanding is that the unspoken “international law” is to keep them out of warfare. But who all is exactly in the wrong here? According to USA TODAY, the United States is blaming Russia, Russia is blaming Britain, and then Russia is also blaming the group that was bombed! The fact that Moscow claims the ‘syrian rebels’ bombed themselves is a broad enough assumption to assume russia was actually in on it. Trump has repeatedly referred to the seven-year-long ‘war’ in Syria as “inhumane” now that chemical weapons are suspected. He notedly (according to his own twitter) called Assad a monster and begged of him to think of his people. However the distatse was mutual on both sides. The Syrian government took the missile launch from the United states as an “act of aggression,” according to New York times. The same source also claimed the United States involvement was purely based off “enforcing international law”, which Assad clearly disregarded. Nevertheless, is it truly fair to say that President Trump was right for speaking about the subject on twitter? It’s unprofessional, yes, but imagine the further damage it could cause, literally. What could happen to Americans if this continues? As mentioned before, Trump called Assad a “monster” for essentially disregarding the quality of his citizens’ lives and not protecting them. Wouldn’t that make him no better than Assad? It’s a bold statement, therefore arguable.
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Post by valera on Apr 14, 2018 3:58:24 GMT
The Syrian chemical attacks were catastrophic, eye-opening events that raise various questions about America’s interventionist roles as well as the morality of chemical weapons themselves. According to the OPCW, extensive exposure to high doses of chemical weapons can affect the respiratory center and cause muscular paralysis. The combination of the two is a “direct cause of death” (opcw.org). Some lethal gases include phosgene and mustard gas, which can cause suffocation, lung damage, and chemical burns. Many would consider the use of these gases incomparable to the use of more conventional weapons such as machine guns etc. Militaries and some organizations might praise the effectiveness and efficiency of using such lethal weapons. However, these “benefits” are met by a strong barrier of global standards and ethics. Such global standards raise questions regarding the “duty” of powerful, influential nations to step in and uphold them. Barack Obama was well aware of this dilemma. He posed threats of military intervention in the event of continued chemical weapon use however his presidency proved to be mostly non-interventionist (Vox). Donald Trump has taken it one step further. Trump has previously deployed missiles and threatened to deploy them once again in the wake of Syria’s chemical attacks (Vox). Such a drastic change in executive decision - or action - has sparked controversy. Although some may argue that extensive American intervention in foreign issues is not the best way to solve global conflict, there are circumstances where such intervention is necessary. When innocent lives are jeopardized and the morality of international governments and organizations are in question, powerful nations must intervene. However, the practice of foreign intervention should not be abused. Foreign intervention becomes a problem when nations act with selfish interests. Foreign intervention should only be used in the interest of assistance in global or international crises and emergencies. With its controversial escalation, the issue of chemical weapons is an undeniable hotbed for American intervention. After all, the use of them in warfare has seen preventative and prohibitive measures almost a century ago with the Geneva Protocol (un.org). The real controversy lies in the potential handling of the issue. Although missile strikes certainly get send a strong message, the practicality of punishing the use of destructive weapons with application of more destructive weapons is questionable. Should America fight fire with fire? Is there a more diplomatic solution? Is the foreign misuse of chemical weapons even worth American time, money, and resources?
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Post by McIlwain on Apr 14, 2018 11:59:05 GMT
This is just an update to the discussion, but Saturday evening, the US supposedly struck Syria with cruise missiles, hitting “strategic locations.” 112 Tomahawk missiles were used. It also seems that the UK and France have also struck at Syria at around the same time, although because it is still a breaking story, I’m having a hard time finding what exactly they have done. Russia has shown little sign of retaliation, saying it was an expression of international aggression, and no Russians were harmed. Assad, on the other hand, claimed the act as “barbaric aggression,” and the Syrian military claimed the attacks destroyed an education center and research labs. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran calls the acts a crime, but gives no sign of an Iranian response. I find it interesting that Syria’s allies care little to none about Syria, and more of themselves. Nonetheless, this was Trump’s words being put into action. Just thought I’d share this update. www.pscp.tv/w/baHpKnR3LTI5ODY2NzczODd8MXZPeHdBTlBFUE1HQuy-XYC3bClYGBp2yXTPz4dBMK_WL5TRWZDvWpYwuXv8?t=50s
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