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Post by Callihan on Oct 1, 2017 21:32:40 GMT
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If I were a citizen in one of the countries that is banned I would be upset I would not be allowed to travel to America because in a sense it would not directly be my fault, I might not be like the rest of my country, and I could not help the fact that I was born there. In a sense though I would have to say I understand though were Trump is coming from try to keep the people in his country safe.
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Post by McDermott on Oct 1, 2017 21:33:53 GMT
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I think that before 9/11, we believed that America was a well-oiled machine and was as safe as it could get. I don't believe that people could even comprehend the fact that a devastating event like 9/11 could happen in modern day America. Nothing like that had ever happened, therefore we were not prepared for it.
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Post by duffy on Oct 1, 2017 22:46:54 GMT
I agree with the president’s decision to enforce a travel ban due to the current state of terrorism all over the world. The ban is in place to ensure the safety of the American people, not add to Trump’s list of enemies like the article briefly said. America has been and continues to be a safe haven for anyone needing a new home but the problem arises when people take advantage of our country or fail to comply with our laws and regulations. This is the reason why specific countries are banned and each countrie’s rules vary. The ban is stated in the reading to be situation based and not time based which means any country could be taken off the list if they comply with our government and the citizens do not pose a threat to the American people. With all the terrorist attacks and threats that occur not only in America but also in other countries there is definitely compelling government interest to create this travel ban and enforce it. However there is not compelling interest for a complete shutdown of our borders like the article briefly mentioned the president considered. My question is how would you feel about the ban if you were a citizen of one of the banned countries? Would you feel the same as you do now? If not how would your feelings change and why? If I were a citizen of one of the banned countries, I would feel untrusted and angry at the fact that the U.S places all the people in those countries on the travel ban, since not all of them are being named as terrorists when it's not true. It's hard to understand completely what they are feeling since we are not going through it, but I would find it extremely unfair. I feel that if I were a citizen of any of these countries, I would be able to understand the reasoning for the decision. Granted, I can see why people are upset. They want to ensure the safety of themselves and their loved ones just as much as we do. However, this is not their country. They understand the threat their own country imposes on the United States, seeing that they themselves are attempting to flee. This situation must be seen in the “step into the other persons shoes” perspective. If they managed to make it into the United States due to a flexible policy, what’s to stop the people they fear from coming along with them? We are one nation, and we must protect our own before we can worry about being the saving grace to another. |
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Post by duffy on Oct 1, 2017 22:51:07 GMT
@emmamcdermott I do not believe that Trump will follow through with a complete ban of muslims. The reason for this being that will need as much support as he can possibly get, and that decision could lead to the largest uproar he has caused thus far. I hope that he continues to make decisions that are not based on hate, but in the attempt to save the lives of his people.
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Post by fischer on Oct 1, 2017 23:25:01 GMT
I agree with the decision president Trump has made on placing a travel ban. I’m not entirely sure if his methodology of choosing which countries to ban was the right way to do it but at least something was done. The rules he’s made for people from other countries being able to come into this country if they have prior ties to people here such as family or job offers is a reasonable way of doing this. It makes sense when president Trump said, “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet” because it’s only logical that the only way we can be safe is to, at least for the time being, attempt to filter the incoming immigrants and prevent future terrorist attacks.
My question is, when will the travel ban end? Considering there’s always going to be people trying to get into this country to commit some form of terrorism will there ever be a stop to it or are we just going to have to keep modifying it?
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Post by fischer on Oct 1, 2017 23:30:54 GMT
If I were a citizen of one of the banned countries, I would feel untrusted and angry at the fact that the U.S places all the people in those countries on the travel ban, since not all of them are being named as terrorists when it's not true. It's hard to understand completely what they are feeling since we are not going through it, but I would find it extremely unfair. I feel that if I were a citizen of any of these countries, I would be able to understand the reasoning for the decision. Granted, I can see why people are upset. They want to ensure the safety of themselves and their loved ones just as much as we do. However, this is not their country. They understand the threat their own country imposes on the United States, seeing that they themselves are attempting to flee. This situation must be seen in the “step into the other persons shoes” perspective. If they managed to make it into the United States due to a flexible policy, what’s to stop the people they fear from coming along with them? We are one nation, and we must protect our own before we can worry about being the saving grace to another. I probably would be the happiest about it but I don't think I would be thinking as logically as I am now. I would take the stance that it was unfair to group all the people from a country as potential terrorists. Although, if people actually took a second to think it through and put themselves in our situation they would understand. |
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Post by fischer on Oct 1, 2017 23:38:37 GMT
It is absolutely understandable why President Trump has taken the actions that he has regarding the travel ban. Americans are horrified by the countless terroristic events that have taken place before our eyes. There will never be a way that we can be 100% certain of our safety in this country, but this travel ban will have a huge impact on that. I agree that this is not by any means going to be ideal for these 8 countries, and it hurts to know that innocent people and their families are being robbed of their right to enter the United States. I understand that this is unfair for them. Part of me is thinking, "this negativity and pointing fingers is the cause of all of this in the first place. America is suppose to be a welcoming and safe place for all people." But when it comes to the safety of the American people, there are times when it’s best to think with our heads instead of our hearts. I think we can all agree that President Trump has made various questionable and sometimes inappropriate comments on twitter, but the tweet shared in The Washington Post article is one of the most sensible I have read from him,“Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet.” It is sad that it has come to this, but this travel ban will bring more control over American borders as well as more safety. It’s sickening to know that people today leave their homes, and live in a world where they may never come back. I hope that this travel ban, though understandably frustrating and upsetting to some, will prevent many of these terrible things from happening again. President Trump had called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” during his campaign. How far do you think the president will go with this travel ban? Do you think he will go through with this idea? I don't think America will let him go through with it because of how extreme it is. Trump has a tendency to exaggerated slightly. Its his way of getting peoples attention then when he has it he modifies what hes saying and finds a way to improve it. |
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Post by campbell on Oct 2, 2017 0:34:07 GMT
President Trump has every right to enforce this travel ban to help ensure the safety of American citizens. The only reason these countries are on the United States travel ban is because they are unwilling to share terrorist and criminal background information. Trump was put into office with the intent to protect his citizens, and that is exactly what the travel ban was issued to do. Terrorism is a major problem that occurs all over the world and if we lighten up our restrictions on who is allowed to enter the country we are just asking for problems. Trump critics bash him by saying his campaign is a promise of " a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering the United States", but that's not his true intent. Trump stated “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people,”. Democrat or Republican, American citizens need to realize that Trump is only doing this for the protection of the American people. Sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry.
My question is, Is it fair that non threatening citizens of these countries are unable to enter the States? What should be the requirements for someone to be able to enter our country?
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Post by Nagy on Oct 2, 2017 0:42:40 GMT
The travel bans into the United States are completely valid, and are not based on a mindset of “The United States is superior to all other countries” or “These acts were created to enforce racial and religious discrimination” as some media outlets would lead the world to believe. On the Contrary, these acts were created with the intention of increasing national security. Granted, there are those who support this ban according to their own personal beliefs that perhaps their religion or their race is greater than that of others, however, the purpose of these bans as stated by President Trump via twitter is as follows: “Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet”. This has been stated by many other administrators as well. Those who disagree will often state the fact that these countries are primarily Muslim and therefore are being targeted as terrorists based on their religion, and that is why they are being barred from entering the U.S. This argument has been addressed by government officials who state that the countries were selected based on their failure to comply with the United State’s request for background information on those entering the country for security purposes. Some of these countries were unable, but most were unwilling to put forth the information, creating a security threat in the U.S. Immigrants or visitors from other countries would not be allowed without background checks or some form of identification, so why allow special privilege to these select few? If they were able to provide the appropriate information and are cleared then by all mean they should be allowed! But otherwise, is it really worth the risk of letting someone visit or become a citizen in a country who could be a potential threat?
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Post by Bell on Oct 2, 2017 0:50:59 GMT
In the Washington Post article, the travel ban was said to have expanded to some countries but excluded some of the previous ones. President, Donald Trump, stated “As president, I must act to protect the security and interests of the United States and its people.” This statement I how my judgement seems to sway. The whole reason why the travel ban is a thing is to protect the citizens of the United States. I am not saying that all people from these areas are bad people or that they do bad thing. Immigration is not a bad thing altogether, there are just some instances where the immigrants could cause harm to the citizens. President Donald Trump is doing his duties as the president by protecting the citizens first. If our government did not make an improvement on the travel ban, it would be easier for people to cause terroristic crimes. President Trump did not look at a map and randomly pick countries, there had to be a specific reason.
If you were in the shoes of President Trump, how would you handle this situation? If you were in the shoes of the countries that are included in the travel ban, how would you fight to not be included?
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Post by Nagy on Oct 2, 2017 0:59:32 GMT
@weber I agree with you about the travel ban being necessary, however, our views on the reason why it has been but it place do differ slightly. Personally, I see the travel ban as an important commodity for the safety of the American people, but not just for fear of terrorist attempts. Some of these countries have been blamed for supposed or even confirmed terroristic activity, yet, according to President Trump and his administration that is not the reasoning, but it is instead because the fact that these countries have not forwarded the background checks for those who wish to enter the U.S. That is not to say that due to fear of terrorism, particularly from these listed countries, have caused them to be briefed more heavily than someone from say the UK would be, but many citizens take this racial profiling to be the only reason this ban has been created, rousing anger. (Not that I think you believe that  ) To address your question about Chad, some countries are unwilling to forward their information, and others are incapable of doing so. Many of these countries on the travel ban list have either undeveloped or weak governments, and so they are unsuccessful at organizing documents, and therefore cannot forward them. Others do not have the financial means to keep record of each citizen, and so either of these reasons could apply to Chad’s inability to send information. |
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Post by Bell on Oct 2, 2017 1:00:07 GMT
campbell, I believe that citizens should be able to enter the United States if they can get a full background check and be questioned. I am sure that there are ways around background checks and questions but it is a better start.
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Post by Confer on Oct 2, 2017 1:05:54 GMT
@mcdermott. I completely agree with your perspective and it was nice to hear your words. I appreciate your heart and head's views on the subject,as they are very similar to my own. However in relation to your questions, i personally believe that our president and commander and chief will do whatever it takes. He has made it very clear that he is willing to do exactly that.
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Post by Bell on Oct 2, 2017 1:06:19 GMT
@lylahenry, If I was in the shoes of a citizen in one of the banned countries I would feel hurt and be hit by reality. I would be hurt because I am being labeled as someone who could cause harm. Then again I would also feel a sense of reality because it would make me realize that there are people out there that caused the reaction it did. There had to be a reason for all of what happened.
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Post by Nagy on Oct 2, 2017 1:10:48 GMT
I believe that there is no such thing as being too careful. Anybody could turn out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, and Trump’s choice is not his way of trying to generalize an entire population. As president, his first responsibility is to ensure the safety of his people. Until we can get a grip on the insane danger we are facing, this was the safest route to go. The countries we are turning away are filled with people who would enjoy seeing our nation burn to the ground. We need a solid vetting system before we can even think of allowing citizens of these nations to walk among the millions of men, women, and children residing in our borders. Better safe than sorry. I’m not sure whether or not this is your original post but I’d still like to reply to it. I strongly agree with you on increasing our nation’s security. It is not discrimination, but instead the protection of the citizens of the United States. Being careful is not the same as being racist, sexist, or predigest. For instance, would a good mother just hand off her child to anyone while she goes to work? I should hope not! If she were smart, she would check each person as extensively as the next,without discrimination, for the optimum protection of her child. The same thing is happening in our country! The administration has created and enforced this ban in order to increase national security, much like a mother protecting her children. |
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) To address your question about Chad, some countries are unwilling to forward their information, and others are incapable of doing so. Many of these countries on the travel ban list have either undeveloped or weak governments, and so they are unsuccessful at organizing documents, and therefore cannot forward them. Others do not have the financial means to keep record of each citizen, and so either of these reasons could apply to Chad’s inability to send information. 