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Post by Henry on Feb 25, 2018 22:22:18 GMT
bluedorn In response to your question of what these sites actually accomplish their main goal is to prevent deaths due to overdose and in addition improve the quality of life for those who are addicted. Teaching prevention does not stop people from becoming drug users, virtually nothing aside from personal beliefs can stop someone from trying drugs and becoming addicted. Drugs are already illegal so there is not much else that can be done to address the drug epidemic besides making the drug use itself safer and cleaner. Can you think of another way to combat the war on drugs or do you believe that drug users should have to deal with their addition on their own?
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Post by Weber on Feb 25, 2018 23:09:06 GMT
After reading these articles given, I still do not believe that providing safe injection sites is a probable way to solve the opioid crisis in the U.S. Going beyond the opioid users, it is a state and federal control controversy. By allowing the states to make these “safe sites”, they are yet again going against federal law. As said by the Justice Department, that “it is a crime, not only to use illicit narcotics, but to manage and maintain sites on which such drugs are used and distributed.” By allowing the states to do this, it is promoting the use of drug use, being “downright counterintuitive.” Not only that it is going against federal law, the sites would be draining the economy. As said in the Vox article, Seattle already put 1.3 million dollars into the sites building. If the states did manage to get past federal enforcement and let this become legal, the sites would be constantly draining money from needing supplies of government based drugs, and lowering the overall economy. Now taking this from more of the perception of the people instead of the government, although it is statistically shown it does lower drug deaths, it is only a mere suggestion to the people to go to these sites, not a requirement. Unless they implemented a new law that made it a requirement for people to go to these sites with drug problems, which is not very likely to keep track of all those people, then many users are not going to go to them. What should be more focused on is therapy and intervention. As mentioned in the USA Today article, “for addicts, the humane public health response is to help them get and stay sober, or at the very least, opioid replacement therapy in sustained treatment.” Their is already help for these users that will help them ward off the drugs, so instead of allowing society make these drugs an “acceptable” way of help, that we establish intervention more to the people and make people more educated on these drugs.
Question: Do you think that the reason for so much drug use/ abuse is because that the people who take them have physiological problems to begin with (mental diseases), or that it is a mere fact that society is now tending to show that drugs are “acceptable” to use?
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Post by Caldwell on Feb 25, 2018 23:55:08 GMT
@mcdermott In response to your question when first heard about these safe-injection sites I thought that the federal governments should eliminate these sites, because it tells younger viewers that Opioid use is acceptable. After reading the articles and realizing that the true intentions of these sites are I have mixed feelings. I think that if you have some relative that is addicted to drugs, you would want these kind of sites to reduce the risk of transmitted diseases and also hope that they may go into treatment. I am also still concerned that with these sites the generations to come will see that their cities accept Opioid usage and that will then not deter them from abusing drugs.
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Post by Callihan on Feb 26, 2018 1:23:37 GMT
People in our world are going to use drugs regardless if we want them to or not it is inevitable unfortunately we do not live in a “perfect” society where everything goes how we want it to. So we should look at the safe injection sites for not promoting drug usage but for a second outlook. In no way are these places condemning drug usage to be “okay” or “right.” These people who are running these sites push people towards rehab for the help they need. Also, things such as diseases, ambulance calls, and deaths caused of overdosing are way lower now than ever in the past year in places that are underground or in other countries. Federally politicians do not want us having these sites because they claim that we are saying that it is “okay”, but we have tried to educate kids as much as we could throughout the U.S. about the harm and effect these dangerous drugs can do and yes they are illegal, but because we talk about them and educate people on this topic people still choose to do it regardless. If we are still educating on drug usage kids can still see how harmful they are and will always be .Therefore, we would not be promoting drug usage, just keeping it more in control. Obviously under no circumstance do I believe that drugs should be legal, but I do think states should have the right to think about these safe injection sites and be able to think of the pros and cons that come along with these sites and based off of that and their situations should be able to decide whether or not this might be a solution or not for them. This problem everywhere in the U.S. ,in our backyards, and to help these people find out that there are other people like them too going through the same thing helps them realize that they can ask for help because just like everyone else they are people. Yes they are people who made a mistake at one point but none the less, a person.
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Post by duffy on Feb 26, 2018 1:34:28 GMT
When this topic was first brought up in class, I was shocked. As someone who has seen firsthand the effects drug use has on loved ones, it’s not hard for me to say that I am not completely in favor of these sites. I do understand the “benefits” of them, if that’s what we’re calling the changes. The Washington Post writes that admistrators are not promoting drug use, but are instead trying to keep people alive. They also offer support to those who want to enter into rehab. Vox reports that im 2016, around 64,000 people died of overdoses in the U.S. At least 2/3 of those deaths were linked to things such as opioids. For example, heroine and illicit fentanyl. Providing clean “tools” and “clean” substances only slows down the inevitable in my opinion. These people will die. Drugabuse.gov writes that, “Medical consequences of chronic injection use include scarred and/or collapsed veins, bacterial infections of the blood vessels and heart valves, abscesses (boils), and other soft-tissue infections. Many of the additives in street heroin may include substances that do not readily dissolve and result in clogging the blood vessels that lead to the lungs, liver, kidneys, or brain. This can cause infection or even death of small patches of cells in vital organs. Immune reactions to these or other contaminants can cause arthritis or other rheumatologic problems”.
Drug use is without a doubt inevitable, that is something we can all agree on. I am just not convinced that the benefits created by these facilities will last long term. By providing a safe spot for drug addicts to go without fear of punishment or forceful rehab, we could be opening the door to the normalization of substance abuse. Growing up, I was raised to know that it is deadly. I myself watched multiple loved ones struggle with addiction, and some continue to struggle to this day. My father’s best friend died last year due to heroine use. So to those reading and thinking that I have no idea what it is like to watch someone struggle, I do. I understand it more than most people would, and I’ve been aware for a very long time.
But for young children who have yet to learn what this topic is, how will they see it? It’s hard for us to imagine a world where drug users are welcomed with open arms by facilities that provide for their drug use, but for those who have yet to learn? How will they be affected? Vox writes that, “It is a crime, not only to use illicit narcotics, but to manage and maintain sites on which such drugs are used and distributed.” Say these sites become accepted across the nation. To a young boy in the first grade, it will be all that he knows. Growing up, drug use may not be as serious of an issue to him as it would be for us as matured young adults because the world he was raised in has begun to accept the concept. We don’t know the statistics that will come about within the next ten years, and we cannot predict them! We cannot guess how younger generations will be affected by this issue. I don’t think I will ever be able to stomach this idea. The U.S. government has plenty of compelling interest in this matter, and I believe that it is not something that should be normalized. It is too loosely regulated in the sense that no consequences are to come from using these facilities. This could create a whole new kind of epidemic that is beyond our imaginations.
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Post by duffy on Feb 26, 2018 1:44:10 GMT
@mcdermott @caldwell In regards to Charlee’s comment on Emma’s post, I fear the latter. As someone who has experienced what it’s like to watch a loved one slowly kill themselves by means of substance abuse, I cannot support these sites. The idea of my family member using a spot like this to harm themselves makes me sick. There would be no desire to get sober, as they would have no reason to anymore. I am speaking on behalf of those I know personally, and that’s the sad truth. I refuse to accept that my children could view drug use as normal because the next door neighbor goes to a safe injection site a few times a day as a part of his routine. That is not normal, nor is it healthy. There is no fear, no deterrent for drug use once it becomes a normal part of life. Why stay sober when you can walk down the block and know that if you push it too far, someone will be there to bring you back from the brink of death only for you to do the same thing tomorrow? It’s a terrifying thought.
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Post by Stoughton on Feb 26, 2018 1:59:15 GMT
Initially, I was bordering being against the facilities and seeing the sensible side to them. I thought it was just making it easier for opioid users to gain access to an addiction that, like all addictions, shouldn’t be there in the first place. I thought that these “safe-injection” sites would just apt more people to want to do drugs. They’re safe, so why not? But, I did eventually see the benefits that are visible upon reviewing the circumstances. Even after changing my view on these facilities, I still completely understand the controversial side to them, but I encourage others to think more openly of them. According to Vox, places with these ’Safe Spaces’ are “showing drops in drug overdoses, related emergency care calls, risky behaviors that lead to HIV or hepatitis C transmissions, and general public disorder and nuisance associated with drugs.” Not only are they fixing current abusers, but they’re also preventing new ones. Children are not exposed to street drugs/users and civilians do not run the risk of catching a disease themselves. My understanding is that the government heavily regulates what happens inside of the “Safe-Injection” sites. The deal is “if you’re going to do drugs, we’d rather you do it in a controlled environment,” and this diminishes the need for drug dealers, so they can keep track of where the drug goes. It’s all part of the cutbacks. Like I said, I can still understand why others are concerned, maybe they think it’s the government’s way of condoning a drug epidemic but the farther in you look into it, it does have its benefits. I believe there are ideally better ways of solving things such as this, but given our economic state, we have to work with what we have.
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Post by sierranagy on Feb 26, 2018 2:46:53 GMT
There is compelling government interest to forbid safe injection sites from continuing their work. The government must do is necessary to promote the general welfare, and unfortunately safe injection sites are not the solution. At face value the idea seems pleasant, because it could help to prevent infections and diseases that can spread from using unclean needles. There is no safe way to “make sure the does they’re taking is okay”, because no dose of heroin is safe. It doesn’t matter how sterile the needle is when what is inside it is much more deadly.These facilities are focused on “keeping people alive”, but just because someone is alive doesn’t mean their quality of life is good. Users who go to these facilities tend to go everyday, multiple times a day, and because there are no reported deaths, are safe from death. This allows them to build up a resistance to the drug, craving more and more to get the fix they need. No government should endorse furthering addiction, which while they have good intentions, is exactly what safe injections sites are doing. In addition to this, they open up drug use to a whole new group of people, perhaps those who have have been afraid or embarrassed to try opioids before. If the government allows these to exist it will alter society’s views, helping to erase the negative stigma surrounding drug use. SIF’s will also likely attract the interest of teenagers, who know that it is free and safe for them to get drugs. If this group of people is turned away, drug sellers are sure to be nearby, after all, drug addicts are in a concentrated area thanks to these programs. Assuring that the crisis does not get worse, the federal government is likely to overturn the attempts in cities to create these facilities. By doing this local and state governments are once again undermining federal authority. Contrary to what Professor Kreit believes to be a loophole, no one but the federal government has the ability to authorize the creation of these facilities. Section 856 of the CSA states that it is unlawful to 'knowingly open or maintain . . . [or] manage or control any place . . . for the purpose of unlawfully . . . using a controlled substance.'" Many volunteers at these sites say they are immune to this because they refuse to inject their clients, however, simply by being in the presence of these illegal substances that their client bring in, they are violating federal law. Although law enforcement officers typically do not seek out individual drug users, they are likely to do so if it means they are able to infiltrate the safe injections sites, and with capability to do so, hopefully the federal government will back police and end these sites altogether to help prevent further spread of addiction.
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Post by Fischer on Feb 26, 2018 2:48:22 GMT
What a world we live in today. The use of drugs such as heroine has substantially increased and with that the amount of deaths. The main issue concerning this is the legality of the safe injection sites spring up in different countries and and states including Philadelphia, Seattle, and San Francisco. The federal law says it is illegal to allow the use of drugs let alone facilitate it. However, a reporter from the reporter Bobby Allyn states, “...it is possible that the federal government will not meddle at all”. This could be related back to weed becoming legal in some states. It has gotten far enough out of control it would cost the government too much to arrest and even find all the safe injection sites. The states have attempted to come up with a loophole in which they could get around the federal law. The loophole is flimsy and is not likely to hold up in court. The reading pertaining to the loophole stated, ‘“The analogy to an undercover narcotics officer is, obviously, faulty,” Marlowe said. “But I honestly don’t know how a court would decide the matter.”’. There are some benefits to the safe injection sites as well. Vox states, “They found that as many as 76 drug overdose deaths annually could be prevented, compared to the 907 people who died of an overdose in Philadelphia in 2016.” It may not seem the most substantial but it is showing some improvement. There is also the issue of how are these safe injection sites paying for the needles and other things needed. The washington post states, “The largest crowds are on days when welfare payments arrive.” This most likely means it’s the taxpayers dollars paying for these people to continue doing drugs. In all the federal government is either going to need to crack down and make a blanketed decision one way or the other.
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Post by Grace Bell on Feb 26, 2018 3:00:11 GMT
When Makenzie brought up the topic of safe injection sites I immediately thought that this is possibly the biggest waste of tax money there is. After reading the articles provided to us I started to sway my opinion in the slightest bit. The idea of “safe injection sites” still is not the best idea but still has it’s benefits. They are able to slow down the spread of diseases such as hepatitis C and/ or HIV according to Vox. This article also mentions how there is a drop in overdoses. I understand how this is impacting the addicts but in the long run is it helping the future generations? Children such as my classmates and myself have grown up knowing, “heroine is bad” or “if you do heroine you could get a really horrible disease.” With these safe injection sites becoming more popular in the community, children may grow up thinking that since they are supplying us with clean needles and a safe haven to shoot up there is no harm in trying it. The children of the next generation will grow up in a community where heroin is prominent and is available at the snap of your fingers due to this. Another reason why I have a hard time agreeing with safe injection sites is because doing heroin is illegal and we are encouraging it. The addicts themselves can get help and go to a rehab facility but instead of forcing the people that need Naloxone to get help they let them walk away from their situation and carry on with their lives. The way that this ties to federalism is that the federal government has not had a blanketed statement about safe injection sites. This topic can relate to medical marijuana in a sense because the states are choosing how they want to handle the topic veres an overall ruling that carries out over all fifty states.
A question that has been present on my mind is, do you believe that safe injection sites will become a regular thing in big cities and possibly even cities such as Butler?
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Post by McIlwain on Feb 26, 2018 3:49:34 GMT
Honestly, I never thought there’d be a discussion regarding “safe injection sites” for illegal narcotics. At first glance, I was shocked that this was a thing, and quite frankly thought it was ridiculous. It also surprised me that it isn’t necessarily a new trend. However, it’s important in any situation before debate to research the topic in depth in order to create a more valid stance. After doing so, I can safely say that I support this idea of safe injection sites, because I believe it is better than the alternative. I particularly liked - for lack of a better term - the part in the article from vox.com when it said, “While in an ideal world no one would use dangerous and potentially deadly drugs, many people do.” This supports my thought that I’d rather have a controlled variable than an outlier. What I mean by this is that I would rather have someone who uses opium and other dangerous substances be in an environment where it’s safER to do so, instead of lying next to a dumpster in an alleyway. It makes the situation less chaotic, as well as enables people to seek help if they need it, because (I also found this extremely interesting) the safe injection centers can also serve to assist in the treatment of addictions. On the other side of this discussion is the relationship between the federal and state governments in this scenario. The states are technically justified because of the loophole found in the 1970 Controlled Substance Act, which allowed law enforcement to use illegal drugs as a “sting operation” during prosecution. Well, hey, if the federal government gets upset by the states taking advantage of their obnoxiously vague language, they should have thought about that beforehand. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by campbell on Feb 26, 2018 4:45:31 GMT
When first hearing about the concept of “safe injection sites” I thought they would be completely unnecessary for use in the united states, but after reading some of the articles which provided statistics on how they can benefit society changed my viewpoint. The article stated “The idea: While in an ideal world no one would use dangerous and potentially deadly drugs, many people do. So it’s better to give these drug users a space where they can use with some sort of supervision. It’s a harm reduction approach” (Vox). I agree with the statement because drugs are going to be abused no matter what so it’s better to create a safer environment and to create a new approach to the situation. Other countries like Canada and Australia have already put safe injection sites to use and had good results. Not only did they see a decrease in the amount of overdoses that occured but also in the amount of disease spread. This case is similar to the legalization of marijuana because it illegal for a person to use these substances in the states, but if some states allow it to happen then it will most likely create a slippery slope with other states allowing the injection sites also and if all the states allow them then the government won’t have much say in the legalization. I believe there is compelling government interest because these safe injection sites can be deemed as unconstitutional. The country has had trouble with addiction for a long time and it hasn’t seemed to get any better so I think trying something new would be an excellent option.
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Post by Murdock on Feb 26, 2018 4:47:21 GMT
Although the first article says that Americans have a very “stigmatized approach” on the opioid crisis and all other drug issues, there is not much else to expect. Most people realize the harms caused by these drugs and for the most part would like to eliminate it all together; ideally that would be the best thing. It is not a perfect world and there is no way to completely get rid of drug abuse, so reduction may be the only option at hand. Harm reduction is a better approach than no approach at all. Since there are so many deaths due to drug abuse each year the government does have compelling interest it setting forth some sort of prevention. There are nearly 907 deaths in Philly PA yearly and about 76 of the people could have possibly been saved had there been help. The total amount of lives that could be saved should be enough interest to the government to help and support safe sites. There may not be an actual blanket solution to this, but even if state governments were able to help some sites out it would be beneficial. According to Vox, Philadelphia PA could save up to 1.8 million dollars in hospital costs if a safe site was set up and running. As always, there could be a possible downfall for cities like Seattle, Washington where it would cost them 1.8 million dollars to set the site up. Setting these sites up could depend on how common drug use is or could be based off of the average cost to treat overdose patients in hospitals. Another issue many people were concerned about is the NIMBY concern. The “Not in My Back Yard” means that people do not want these sites set up in their towns in fear that it would bring the drugs close to their homes and would potentially make drug use more common. But, according to the EMCDDA there have been less public injections in the towns that have sites and that there has been no record of crime increase in the cities of safe injection sites.
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Post by @baker on Feb 26, 2018 4:55:08 GMT
As soon as McKenzie brought this up in class I knew that there would be jokes and remarks would be made, and I knew that almost every single person in the class would be against it which is reasonable. The first thought that comes to mind is “wow that’s insane”, but as stated in the vox article this a “harm reduction approach”. If i wouldn’t have lost a family member to an overdose I would feel the same way. It was a very hard time for my family and still is. Just because someone dies from an overdose absolutely does not make them any less of a person, and doesn’t make it any easier for the family. My family didn’t agree with the choices they made whatsoever but we still loved them either way. Don’t take this as me condoning drug use or saying it is okay because it’s not. I’m just saying there are other factors you should take into consideration. According to the CDC , Pennsylvania was ranked number 4 out of the top 5 states with the most overdose deaths. The safe injection sites in Canada did help to bring down the number of deaths, and I think that is the main purpose here. Everyone wants something done with how big of a problem drugs have become, and they’re offering a possible solution or at least something that will help. Just like we said in class about President Trump’s idea of arming teachers, it may not fix it but he is trying. I don’t think that it’s okay for the states to be going behind the feds back, but something needs to be done. Government intervention is definitely required, but there are other ways like instead of shooting overdose victims with narcan and sending them on their way, take them to rehab or something. Drug users don’t always have any repercussions and that is one of the biggest problems. A safe injection site certainly wouldn’t be a repercussion, but it would save lives and even possibly help encourage users to go to rehab and get help. Something I found interesting is that there has been places like this for a while, but they are unsanctioned. Many people are worried about these places opening and attracting more drug users, but they aren’t going to open them up in the high class neighborhoods. They will be put where drugs are already an issue. To be completely honest I do not know where I stand with this because it hits close to home. I don’t like it because it is not morally correct, but at the same time I think it could most likely save a lot of lives and if I had the chance to possibly save my uncles life I would have. I understand that my opinion will definitely not be popular, but just try to see it from where I’m coming from because there are a ton of other families who feel the same way.
What would you consider to be a better solution to this problem?
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Post by oliver on Feb 26, 2018 4:59:38 GMT
The magnitude of the opioid epidemic in the US is alarming to say the least. Safe-injection sites are a controversial suggestion to slow down this widespread outbreak. In relation to federalism, the topic is also controversial because the safe injection sites go against federal law. According to the Department of Justice, “it is a crime, not only to use illicit narcotics, but to manage and maintain sites on which such drugs are used and distributed”. Although is is federally illegal, several states are interested in instilling these safe injection sites. I agree with Vox’s statement regarding safe injection sites as a “harm reduction approach”, however it is debatable whether this approach would be enough to really make a difference in the opioid crisis of America. There are many costs and benefits to these sites. According to studies cited by Vox, these safe injection sites (in other countries) have led to drops in overdoses, “related emergency care calls”, and “general public disorder and nuisance related to these drugs”. Costs to these sites include their legality, potential to attract drug users to an area, potential to be misused or abused, and their literal costs (funding). Although I recognize the potential good that these sites can do, they seem to be a rather short term fix for a long term problem.Allowing people to feed their addictions “safely” is great for preventing overdose deaths as well as several other issues posed by the illegal drug market. However, I believe a more effective focus would be on the rehabilitation itself and the treatment of addiction. Simply feeding the flame in a controlled environment will not help (most) people treat their addiction. The biggest barrier in this safe injection issue - along with the federal legality of it - is the funding of these sites. Overall the idea might slightly decrease some overdose rates and related statistics but the costs outweigh the benefits of this issue - it is not the best way to deal with the opioid crisis
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