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Post by Meghan Miller on Jan 28, 2018 20:27:59 GMT
@maya French I do not agree that Trump has some ulterior motives and, as we discussed in class, no one can truly know another's motives for the way that they act. Trump is a business man, that is all he knows, so when he is dealing with politics he thinks of other countries as competing businesses. With the JCPOA, he sees that as not completely destroying the competition, just handicapping it. This competitive mindset is not how diplomacy should be taken. I do not know how good Trump is at keeping secrets (just from looking at the @therealdonaldtrump twitter feed) so I am not sure if he is capable of having any really well thought out ulterior motives that do not apply to his competitive business mindset. In essence, we will know if Trump has any motives via twitter because nothing in this country is secret anymore.
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Post by Maya French on Jan 28, 2018 22:35:00 GMT
@barbie, I liked the point you made that Ang had pulled from your initial post. I think it is true that many people see nuclear weapons as a form of protection, especially in the eyes of those who are not allowed have them. The bigger, more powerful countries, who had developed these weapons early on due to economic advantages, have this pre-perceived notion that they were the first therefore they make the rules. Nuclear weapons have been used in the past, not for protection, but more for defense in these countries. If the threat of war ever arouse, all these countries would have to do is flash some of their nuclear weapons and everything would calm back down. Well, being that there are smaller countries that are now able to develop weapons of equal threat it should be seen more as leveling the playing field so that everyone is able to defend themselves just the same. Instead, these actions are being portrayed as a threat and reinforcing the notion that these bigger countries control the nuclear aspect of the world through heavily sided treaties such as the JCPOA.
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Post by Maya French on Jan 28, 2018 22:43:27 GMT
@meghan In reading your reply to my post I couldn't help but laugh at the view you took on my discussion question. When you said, "I do not know how good Trump is at keeping secrets (just from looking at the @therealdonaldtrump twitter feed) so I am not sure if he is capable of having any really well thought out ulterior motives that do not apply to his competitive business mindset. In essence, we will know if Trump has any motives via twitter because nothing in this country is secret anymore." I actually burst into laughter. This is so true, unfortunately, and a very good point to make. I never even took Trumps character into consideration when forming my post!
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Post by Laura Gutauskas on Jan 28, 2018 22:58:54 GMT
“Now that the possibility arises that America could back out on the deal, what does this mean for the rest of the countries involved in the deal? How could this further affect Iran's nuclear project?” @wyattheyl Abandoning this deal would only add onto the list of big mistakes Trump has made/will make. For the rest of the U.N., they’d be left at a standstill since there is nothing for them to do considering: A. Trump will not listen to anyone else’s opinion on the matter, not even his own advisors and B. Once the deal is decertified, there is no undoing it. Iran could easily start back up their nuclear program since the U.N. would be unable to place sanctions on them while they abide to the deal. Plus, if the U.S. tries to put sanctions on Iran themselves, then the U.N. wouldn’t allow it. Both sides headbutt each other. The only way for action to be made, beyond the point of Trump decertifying the deal, is if other countries decertify it which would tremendously worsen the problem.
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Post by Barbie Cessar on Jan 29, 2018 0:58:50 GMT
brooke I think that President Donald Trump is taking it too far by wanting to leave the deal. By leaving the deal he will cause more controversy than the weapons themselves. Nuclear weapons are lethal but I think making bad relationships with other Nations is even more dangerous. If I were making the decision I would keep good ties with allies and re-certify the deal in hopes of working something out.
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Post by Wyatt Heyl on Jan 29, 2018 1:17:47 GMT
ricky_Mineo I find it interesting on how you feel about nuclear weapons. I agree that if they are in the wrong hands however that the other more experienced countries, in the context of nuclear weapons, should be able to control that countries nuclear powers. Although it doesn't help the fact that Russia let its surrounding countries, North Korea and China, acquire nuclear capabilities. I also agree on how nuclear weapons should be used as a last resort. With North Korea and possibly soon Iran possessing nuclear weapons that they are suspected of going ballistic with them.
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Post by Wyatt Heyl on Jan 29, 2018 1:27:18 GMT
@chloe_Fetter I believe that Trump's main idea of controlling the construction and use of nuclear weapons is through force and blackmail. But I believe one possible solution could be to cut off all supplies going to the country that is developing them. Now as for the use of nuclear weapons and when they should be used in war. I believe Ricky struck the nail on the head when it comes to only using them as a last resort. For instance during WWII and the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan, that was our last resort which ended up forcing Japan to surrender. How ever I believe with North Korea's intent with their nuclear powers is for intimidation upon other countries, which President Trump doesn't seem intimidated one bit.
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Post by jonah on Jan 29, 2018 2:15:52 GMT
@cole yes the United States should do something about creating a list. If there was a set list that was enforced and actually limited the nuclear power of nations the fear of a nuclear Apocalypse would be slim to none. In order to make a list that included countries that are trusted, the list should go to the UN and everyone should make a unanimous decision on who should have what.
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Post by jonah on Jan 29, 2018 2:24:31 GMT
brookeIm going to play devils advocate here but how do you know for sure that Iran is not breaking the deal, how do we know that the International Atomic Energy Agency isn't just siding with Iran to see that they have some power in the world, or Iran is paying off their adviser. We really can't tell, on the other hand what if they are breaking the deal? Then what, we would be letting Iran get away with making stronger Atomic weapons and possibly the ability for world destruction, but who knows.
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Post by Makayla Rieder on Jan 29, 2018 3:55:45 GMT
@mastrean Determining what countries get to have Nuclear power is really controversial. Everyone’s going to have their own interpretation. For who gets to decide who gets Nuclear Power, the UN should get to make that decision and ultimately decide what makes a country fit to have a nuclear system. For me I think that a country should be stable and have reasons to believe that they will remain stable for a while before they can possess nuclear power. I also think that a country should not have a track record of doing things impulsively or going straight to violence as a solution to everything.
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Post by Makayla Rieder on Jan 29, 2018 4:16:39 GMT
@wyatt The limitation on Nuclear weapons for some countries doesn’t always seem fair, but i do think that it is mainly to keep impulsive governments from starting a nuclear war over something small. A country that has a track record of doing crazy stuff for small reasons and threatening constantly (Example: North Korea) is much more likely to start a nuclear war if they had the power than a country that knows how to think things through and plan before executing. The limitations can be a little unfair, but in general they are set in place for the safety of civilization.
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