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Post by Eithan Beckwith on Jan 12, 2018 19:08:07 GMT
What fascinates me the most about this situation not just with Kanter, but with the entire country of Turkey is their fierce loyalty to Erdogan. Supposedly these people are being oppressed yet they despise any bashing of their president. It's mind boggling what some simple "brainwashing" can do. Kanter is simply trying to speak out against the awful circumstances of Turkey and is being denied by those who need the most help. You know it's bad when someone who hasn't even been in the country for years realizes the true oppression at hand. One of the things I dug into with this whole debacle is Fethullah Gulen, who Kanter said he is a big fan of. Turkey has been wanting to get Gulen back since Erdogan labelled him a terrorist in 2016. They have halted extraditions of people (which are mainly terrorists) to the U.S. until they get Gulen. Their main reason is because Turkey has extradited 12 people to the U.S. in which they say the U.S. "made up excuses from thin air" to get them back. Now what doesn't make sense is how they are making absurd accusations against Kanter and Gulen to have them extradited from the U.S. The hypocrisy at hand is crazy and completely dumbfounds me. Now the New York Post article did say Kanter will most likely not be extradited "because the United States doesn’t extradite to Turkey unless the alleged infraction violates both US federal law and Turkish law." In this case, those in the U.S. are free to speak out against government officials not matter how high up. So, in reality, this whole situation is just a show of Turkey trying to prove itself to the world somehow. Link to the Deutsche-Welle article on Gulen: www.dw.com/en/turkey-to-halt-extraditions-to-us-until-it-gets-fethullah-gulen/a-42116304Is this whole thing just to stir up controversy and publicity in Turkey's favor? Not at all do i believe that this is a publicity stunt because this all is arise of a man slandering his country while not in it but breaking a law in his country even if he is not in his own country and the man in charge of the Turkish government is angered by this slandering especially of a man that lives in the country. |
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Post by Eithan Beckwith on Jan 12, 2018 19:12:04 GMT
@ Derek
I do not believe that Kantar should be presented jail time for this action he was only using his right while in america to speak freely even if this is a crime in his home country there is nothing the Turkish president can do because he may be breaking laws but not in there jurisdiction
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Post by Autumn Painter on Jan 14, 2018 2:51:41 GMT
@sarah
I don't think the United States considers Kanter a threat, or cares to create tension or conflict by returning him to his country. Kanter did not violate any US laws, therefore they don't have any reason to discipline him for his actions. In a way, the US also benefits from Kanter because he is included in a form of entertainment for its people.
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Post by Autumn Painter on Jan 14, 2018 3:02:33 GMT
@mr.Williams
I think Kanter should definitely be worried about how his home country may punish his family. Considering all of the terrible things that are happening in Turkey, anything can happen to his family. I guess it comes down to how close he is to his family, because that can determine if he would take action upon the situation in the future.
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Post by Wolinski on Jan 14, 2018 22:14:55 GMT
@sarah what you have to think about is how different the U.S. and Turkey are at this point. In Erdogan's eyes, this could very well be a capital offense and so it is imperative for Kanter to be extradited.
@autumn having your family be hurt, whether it's mental or physically. because of your "wrongdoing" would be hard for everyone. For me, it shows how much he believes in his cause. He is willing to metaphorically or possibly literally sacrifice his family if it means his home country will benefit from it. So while it may appear insensitive, it really is a great show of courage.
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Post by Alex Aspinall on Jan 15, 2018 0:24:48 GMT
@eithan
I agree, the Turkish government is stooping to a corrupt and petty level to go at this guy. I'd even go as far as to say they're essentially cyber bullying him.
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Post by SETH THE BOSS on Jan 15, 2018 1:45:24 GMT
The NBA star is making a very important point in the new york post article stating:”I am just trying to be the voice of all these innocent people, man” However this controversy started, whether he was just bad mouthing his country or actually making important statements about the abuses of human rights accuring there, his issue has become very important, both for him, and all the unfairly treated people he now represents in turkey. Without this conflict happening to a sports star in the US, we as the general public may have never been made aware of it. How the US responds now will not only affect Kanter’s future, but it will set the standard for how they will deal with future abuses of human rights for turkish citizens in the future. We are lucky that this issue arose with someone in the sports industry, so now awareness can be spread via sports coverage, and hopefully an effective response restoring human rights by the US. As far as there response goes, the turkish government has no jurisdiction on foreign soil, unless an actual threat to their security was present. The US cannot charge a 16 year old for going to germany’s oktoberfest, because only the law of the land applies their, just as our country’s laws are the only applying here.
Can Kanter spread enough awareness to actually make a difference for the wrongly charged journalists and whistleblowers in his home country?
How many times has this situation happened before to someone not in the public eye and the US has complied with the foreign authority?
Would turkey actually go so far as to harbor terrorists and refuse to hand over real security threats to the US if we refuse to comply now?
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Post by SETH THE BOSS on Jan 15, 2018 1:57:55 GMT
@hotrod - I think that fining Kanter would have a negetive effect on the turkish government, because that would only raise publicity. the reason they need him behind bars is to shut him up.
@eithan - I dont think the president would be able to return Kanter without a large backlash from the public, they would accuse him of being a fan of controlling free speech, and seeing his past criticisms on journalists, they would draw even more connections from trump to an oppressive and controlling dictator. this would not be in the favor of any president.
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Post by Mr. Williams on Jan 15, 2018 3:14:52 GMT
@eithan if I was the president I would not give him back because its not like he was threatening to destroy them or something
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Post by Erin Reimers on Jan 15, 2018 5:37:11 GMT
@sarah The whole situation with Kanter is indeed a mess. Especially the lengths in which they go to incarcerate him by punishing his family and so on. It is however hard to consider what should be done about the situation.
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Post by Erin Reimers on Jan 15, 2018 5:40:38 GMT
@evvy I do not believe that it should be allowed to jail someone for a crime done in a place where it is perfectly legal despite them being a citizen of a country that criminalizes their act.
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Post by Evvy-Bot V.1.0 on Jan 15, 2018 11:57:10 GMT
According to The Washington Post Enes kanter said “You guys need to know what is going on in Turkey right now” meaning he doesn’t say what he says as a joke he is just trying to inform his people on what’s going on in the real world. He’s just trying to get people to understand that our world is not perfect and that there is human abuse and things like that still happening today. Now turkey’s government wants Kanter to go back so they can charge him for all the things he is saying about them. For example he says that people there get raped, tortured, and worse but he is only stating the true so if the turkey government doesn’t like it then they shouldn’t allow it to happen. But to be honest the punishment doesn’t really seem like it would bother Kanter just because of his reaction when turkey said they would sentence him for four years because according to The Washington Post Kanter said “Four years? That’s it?” meaning he thought it would have been way worse because of all the bad things he has said about them. But just from what Kanter said he is just stating facts so he shouldn’t be punished for telling the truth maybe if he was lying I could understand but why would someone lie over national TV. Also if Kanter is over on this side of the World why does it matter what he says as long as he is not trying to destroy them or something like he should have his freedom of speech on what he thinks people may need to know to change their thoughts on the world we live in today. Like according to Alo. Kanter said “he believes the Turkish government would kill him if he were imprisoned” he also says that if he wasn’t playing basketball here in America he would be very worried because all the things he knows they have done to other people. Most people don’t talk bad about their hometown or country so when he says bad things about them then there is a real reason why he is doing it. Kanter is not really worried about being charged because he is in the US but should he be worried because they could possibly charge his dad with his punishments instead of him if he refuses to go? Kanter is a NBA player meaning he is making some money do you think they could basically fine him for all the comments he said? Your First Question seems to go along the lines of a matter of Kanters opinion or morality, If the Turkish government really wants to find a way to punish somehow, going after his dad is the next best thing to him. He should be aware of his father possibly taking the bullet for him so to speak though, Although what he did isnt inherently wrong, He shouldnt let his family suffer for it . |
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Post by Evvy-Bot V.1.0 on Jan 15, 2018 12:00:32 GMT
@eithan It could be very likely that the turkish governments intention was to stir a pot of controversy. Theyre trying to inflict fear upon their people and shame them and make an example out of "This is what happens if you dont clap for us"
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Post by Derek on Jan 15, 2018 12:55:37 GMT
@rod yes I think he should be worried about all his family back home because that would be a good way to lure Kanter back into the country if they threaten his family.  |
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Post by Derek on Jan 15, 2018 12:59:08 GMT
@ethan if I was the United States president I would not send him back over. He made the comments in the U.S. which is legal here so there is nothing That Kanter did that was wrong. |
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