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Post by Laura Gutauskas on Dec 5, 2017 1:08:06 GMT
@hunterprementine The people already are pressing for change, although it is getting them no where since; A. the only candidate willing to attempt political change dropped out, and B. Kenyatta obviously doesn't seem to plan on doing anything different from his past term to please the people, and instead is letting this bad blood continue in the streets. Despite this unrest, I feel as though the citizens will eventually give up the fight since they've already lost so much and don't want to risk losing anymore. Since Kenya is included in the quarter of "democratic" African countries, if they create a true civil war they could lose those small remainders of democracy. In this case, things don't look very hopeful in Kenya unless some kind of foreign intervention is done - but this could cause even more problems.
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Post by Jonah on Dec 5, 2017 1:53:50 GMT
brooke I agree the people are upset because they probably payed money for this new voting system and and it being tampered with can really be aggravating. I also agree that the people have to just accept that Kenyatta will be their leader for the next 5 years, they can't change that all they can do is get over themselves.
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Post by Jonah on Dec 5, 2017 1:57:58 GMT
@cole of course they have a right to be skeptical, but the sad thing is even after Odinga got the supreme court to null the first election he dropped out. Why? because they changed nothing, they made no improvements to their own system and that was the problem in the first place. Kenyans are mainly skeptical because of this, if the first election was rigged the second election was probably even more so.
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Post by Barbie Cessar on Dec 5, 2017 2:06:24 GMT
@mastrean I believe that Kenyan’s lack of authority and inability of control are the main factors that contribute to the unstable political climate. Violence broke during the 2007 election and the most recent 2017 election. The 2007 election had higher death rate but it seems to me that Kenya has done nothing to prevent this situation.
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Post by Barbie Cessar on Dec 5, 2017 2:30:23 GMT
@meghan I love the perspective you brought on the topic! I agree that no election can be perfect and that no election system can be without fault. I mean even the United States voting system was questioned after Trump was elected. This goes to show that there will always be someone that is unhappy with the results of an election.
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Post by Chloe Fetter on Dec 5, 2017 4:49:42 GMT
For the new Presidential election of 2017 there where two can dents running for office, former president Uhuru Kenyatta and his rival Raila Odinga. The first election happened on August 8, but that did not go over well. In order to make this election seem more fair and legitimate a new software for voting was installed but, "A few days before the vote, Christopher Msando, the IEBC official in charge of this technology, was found dead." Even after this murder took place the election still went on with out delay. The election came out with the vote that former president Uhuru Kenyatta would serve his second and last term as president. with that outcome, " Odinga and his party argued they had proof of widespread irregularities in a series of news conferences, saying hackers had managed to infiltrate the IEBC systems." That would make the election false. To calm down the rumors of all of this Kenya's government had a re-election sixty days latter. The out come was the same however. The terrible outburst and riots of the opposition still are an going. no matter what the out come of the election was one side would still be unhappy. Is there anything solution you can think of in order to facilitate improvement? Perhaps letting the people select different candidates or maybe updating their old voting system. I found it interesting how you used the word unhappy. It makes me wonder what lengths people will go in order to achieve happiness. Any thoughts? |
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2017 14:30:44 GMT
@makayla Do you think the situation in Kenya will turn into the situation in Catalonia? Will they fight for independence as a whole country or sections like Catalonia?
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Post by Cole on Dec 5, 2017 14:35:16 GMT
@ang In Venezuela, there wasn't even a chance of there being a second vote. Maduro wanted the presidency, so he got it. In Kenya, the people didn't feel as though it was fair the way that they voted and thought it was rigged, so they got a second vote, even though the outcome was the same. In both cases, the people did not like their president, but in Kenya, they had the opportunity to change it. Now whether or not this part was rigged or not, that is a different story for a different day.
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Post by Matt on Dec 5, 2017 14:35:33 GMT
@hunter I do believe that the violence "should" stop, but i do not think that it is going to happen. They do not like the turn out of the votes, they believe it was rigged, but I also believe that htey suck it up a little bit.
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Post by Cole on Dec 5, 2017 14:39:16 GMT
@hunter No, the violence will not stop. The people of Kenya do not like the situation that they are in and it will not change until the president changes. The people are not happy that the first election was "rigged", but now since Kenyatta won the second election too, they think that that one is rigged too. They will be violent until they get what they want.
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Post by Hunter Prementine on Dec 5, 2017 15:43:59 GMT
@makayla I like how you put a solution as "going offline" with paper and it seems like a viable option, but with the instability of high officials and such, observers could be easily killed or bribed to affect the election process.
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Post by Chloe Fetter on Dec 5, 2017 16:32:12 GMT
Kenya's whole re-election ordeal has been a mess. There are a lot of people who have died as a result of this election. Now government corruption aside, there is another pressing issue in Kenya, police brutality. There were more than 50 people killed by police since the election in August, states the BBC. That is ridiculous and more than 60 people have died as a result of political violence. Innocent protesters have died trying to voice their opinion and nothing has been done to stop it. Kenyan’s say the government can stop the senseless killings, and they aren’t wrong, but nothing is happening. This shows that there is some sort of corruption happening at the highest levels and frankly seems like a military style of rule over the Kenyan people. Top officials have been assassinated and only two judges show up to a very important court case. Common sense is something funky is going on. I would like to know what the supreme court means by irregularities in terms of the August election. The so called “democrat” Mr. Odinga claims he was targeted by police on his way back into the country in his bullet proof car, with his daughter confirming his claim. Although the interior ministry dismisses this as false, it is very believable with the amount of political violence happening in Kenya. Kenya has many issues that need to be addressed and fixed and i believe with time they can do that but it starts with the government. Take the win, kill the dictatorship that is looming over your country’s democracy and keep the people happy. Do you think that violence will stop in Kenya? Should the people press for change or submit to the looming dictatorship? They Should continue to press for change. They know that since the re-election was held the government is somewhat willing to listen. However, the system is extremely corrupt so their proposed solution could be of no benefit and the citizens of Kenya might possibly be stuck in a vicious cycle. Could you propose a solution to break the habit? |
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