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Post by Hilliard on Oct 8, 2017 23:35:08 GMT
Gun control is among the top political debates in the United States today. Many propose the question is there enough control or not enough. Depending on where you stand on this topic there is no way to tell. No matter what you do to control it people are still going to be very unhappy. The recent shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada has spiked everyone's concern about gun control. Focusing on semi-auto and fully-auto specifically there should be more control. People tend to take advantage of there firearms with how to use them and modifications that can be used. "Bump stocks" are a very easy and deadly modification made to semi-auto firearms to make them fire like a automatic weapon. Bump stocks have been around for less than a decade and this past shooting is already a eye opener of why there should be more control. In 1837 the state of Georgia passed a law banning handguns, but was later thrown out by the Supreme Court for being unconstitutional. Many of these ideas that are brought to the table will not work because they will violate the 2nd amendment. There should be stricter background checks on all firearms purchased in America and firearms bought in foreign countries and shipped over. This might make the people happy, but using Stephan Paddock as an example, he was not a terrorist, had nothing on him to not be able to obtain a firearm, and had no motive to his shooting. Had he had a mental condition we will not know, as he committed suicide. Unless you permanently take guns away there will be no way to stop these kinds of things from happening. Although guns are the tools used to kill people in there mass shooting, you can't put all the blame on them. People use guns to kill people and a lot of people want to put the blame on guns, but they are a privilege to have in our free country and we as citizens are taking advantage of them.
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Post by Hilliard on Oct 8, 2017 23:48:19 GMT
@sarver answering your question, our government sets laws to create a standard and hope citizens abide by it. They do not put enough effort into enforcing these laws, which they should. If you agree with these laws, then you will follow them. However, if you do not agree with them then you won't follow them. People usually only follow laws for the chance that they will get caught and are afraid of the punishment.
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 8, 2017 23:57:38 GMT
With the recent Las Vegas incident, the popular topic of gun-control has resurfaced. Because of the Second Amendment, guns could not be completely restricted unless this Amendment were changed. However, something needs to be done, whether it be that more restrictions are put in place, or that background checks be done on all gun owners. Regardless, the current efforts to minimize gun violence are insufficient and the recent massacre is proof. An article from the Guardian states, "The US is home to 88 guns for every 100 people and sees mass shootings more than 11 times as often as any other developed country.", the most recent one being the worst in modern U.S. history according to CNN. These weapons, although they are being used for evil purposes, are not the source of the evil. Instead, it is the people behind them. Despite this belief, the existence and availability of these weapons enables people to commit crimes such as this. For this reason, there is most definitely compelling interest for the government to limit gun possession. For those that are purchasing a gun for the first time it should be mandatory that they attend a safety course prior to purchasing the weapon, because without proper training it raises the risk of injury. While, this may limit the amount of accidental gun injuries/ deaths it will not limit the amount of homicides, as background checks are already in place in order to purchase a gun and killings are still happening. This is a result of the illegally obtained guns in the U.S and the mentality of the people who are using them to kill. This simply cannot be controlled, and if there was a way to prevent these kinds of people from having a gun, they would resort to other methods of killing. However, another factor that contributes to deaths is military personnel that come back from war and have PTSD. These men and women should have continuous metal health checks done before a gun is placed back in their hands in civilian life. An article from CNN states, “The Army reported a record-high number of suicides in July 2011, with the deaths of 33 active- and reserve-component service members categorized as suicides.” This doesn’t mean that all veterans should be stigmatized as violent or mentally ill, but it is just another preventative measure that can be taken to limit gun violence. Overall, if people are sick enough that they want to kill people they will find a way to do it regardless of whether or not they have access to guns, but at the least, more safety measures can be taken to prevent accidental gun violence.
Question: What do you think could possibly be done outside of just limiting guns to prevent gun violence? For example, more limitations on drug/ alcohol abuse.
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Post by Martin on Oct 9, 2017 0:19:07 GMT
@croll To answer your question, I don't think banning firearms would decrease shootings in the United States. Regulations can be set and laws can be made, but it is human nature to rebel against them. I found your statement about Europe intriguing given the amount of gun control they possess. I also agree with you on the point of requiring background checks to lower the rate of shootings. While it won't make them disappear completely, it will definitely help. You provided some good statistics that enhanced your response!
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 9, 2017 0:40:44 GMT
@martin- I agree with you that the repeal of gun restrictions from the Obama administration was of no benefit to the American people. However, the availability of guns in the U.S may be the the number one cause of mass shootings but there have been several other mass murders that have taken place without the use of a gun. 9/11 happened because of a plane crashing into a building, the Boston Marathon took place because of homemade bombs, people have killed others by setting buildings on fire. So, how then, does it make sense that limiting guns will prevent mass murders/ killings. I don't know that there is an answer other than over time to change the mentality of society because of the rise in mass killings.
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Post by Roxberry on Oct 9, 2017 0:52:36 GMT
@kamerer- To answer your question, most guns sold legally are sold with background checks. The problem is the people who will continuously break the law to get guns regardless of the punishment. An automatic gun, for example, is extremely pricey and requires extensive background checks. For instance, an article on CNN states, ""Most people can buy machine guns in lots of states," Howard said. "But, and this is one of those classic big ‘buts,’ they have to get through a background check by FBI that is as thorough as if you are getting clearance to become a federal agent."" So, the legal purchase of a machine gun is already regulated. It seems as though it is almost impossible to prevent this amount of gun violence in the U.S.
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Post by Magliocca on Oct 9, 2017 1:13:33 GMT
Why does it always seem to take a tragedy for the US to step back and look at it’s gun policies? According to the Guardian “At least 17 guns were found in his hotel room, according to official statements from law enforcement officials.” In addition, over 15 more firearms were found at his home in Mesquite, Nevada. It may not seem like a big deal to have that many guns, but the issue arises when it was found that the suspect was using bump stocks. A bump stock is a device that uses the recoil of a semi-automatic firearm to fire shots in rapid succession, which simulates the ability of a fully automatic weapon. The video below from Vox describes how deadly this can be in relation to the recent Las Vegas shooting. I also read an article on Vox about the NRA’s stance on the devices. While the NRA thinks that gun control should be loosened by guaranteeing a right to carry, they also have restrictions on some devices such as the bump stocks. A reporter from Politico stated, “even the NRA seems skeptical about these modifications. The group actually bans them from its own firing range at NRA headquarters, due to safety concerns.” When I read this quote, my initial reaction was if the National Rifle Association thinks these devices are dangerous and should be banned then why aren’t they banned all around? To round out there is no way we can enforce gun control all at once. We need to start out smaller by first banning these bump stocks and see where it goes from there. Bump stocks video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZCWjzQUM8NRA article: www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16431694/nra-bump-stock-las-vegas-shootingQ: If the use of bump stocks were banned in the U.S. before this tragic event, would it even have happened?
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Post by Magliocca on Oct 9, 2017 1:51:46 GMT
@kamerer While reading your stance I realized I truly agreed with your views on who and how people should be obtaining these dangerous weapons. There does need to be some kind of background check on the weapons people are purchasing and certain devices like the bump stocks should be banned to try and prevent tragic events from occurring.
@kingerski I agree with what you had to say but to answer your question, people are going to break the law no matter what. At the end of the day the people who are going to break the law will break it and all we can do is hope that by starting with small restrictions maybe they will have the "common good" in them to not break the law.
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Post by Howell on Oct 9, 2017 2:27:53 GMT
There is compelling government interest to limit gun possession in the United States. There should be limitations on gun control. Especially on guns that can cause mass amounts of damage should not just be given to any citizen to have. I understand that this could hurt and change the second amendment but back when these were put into place they did not have the technology we have today or even think that there would have to be a limitation on it. Even though people can still get guns, it is still better to try and stop them then to do nothing at all. Also, there is a more valid reason to limit certain guns than others. Different guns have different capability. I do not know a lot about guns ( only ever held one like 3 times ). But I know that some are stronger and more capable than others. Because there is a difference between a “Semi-automatic” which is slower and not as detrimental as an “automatic” that should have a lot more restrictions against them. The government plays a role when it comes to the conversation about gun rights versus gun control. The government can put in gun control laws that limit the making of selling and guns to people. This would restrict it to make it a lot safer. But like I said before though, no matter what, people will end up finding a way to get a gun. Also getting rid of them or making them harder to get could just lead to people wanting to get them even more. Even though this could make it a bit safer it would end up going against the second amendment “The right of the people to keep and bear firearms”. What do you think the government should do with firearms, limit them or keep it how it is and preserve the second amendment?
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Post by Chechak on Oct 9, 2017 3:44:56 GMT
Gun control is a big topic right now, especially with what just happened in Las Vegas last week. Gun control is needed to an extent. Stephen Paddock had 17 guns in his home with thousands of rounds of ammunition. Background checks should be a necessary requirement to help prevent this type of problem, but even a background check may not have prevented this catastrophic event. The issue of gun control always becomes relevant after an event like this, but to be fair it is basically impossible to prevent mass shootings because the only way to do that is to ban all guns in general and that will never happen in the United States. There are ways we can help though, but they all have their drawbacks. If you make it a requirement to get a background check to purchase ammunition, sure it may help reduce gun violence, but these people will find a way around it if it is their life goal to kill people. I believe background checks will help but it will not stop bad people from getting guns. For example, the people who have felonies can not buy guns but we all know they get them from people. No matter what people have connections and will end up getting guns but, it will help restrict most people from getting them. If the government was to end up restricting all guns it will cut lots of activities from a lot of innocent people, like hunting. Hunting is a freedom where people can keep the animal population under control. It lets families and friends bond over things, without doing harm to people. The people who want to harm people will find a way to do it anyhow. Putting strict gun control will help but will not cut it out completely. Guns do not kill, people who use the guns kill.
Q: If we put a lot of restrictions on guns, will it better the majority of the people and make them happy, or make more innocent people mad?
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Post by Chechak on Oct 9, 2017 3:53:47 GMT
@magliocca I think that even if bump stocks were not a thing he could have used a fully automatic weapon. He could have gotten his hands on a fully automatic weapon with the money he had easily and could have done the same damage if he was using an automatic instead of a bump stock.
@sarver the point of putting laws on things is to regulate damage being done. The only reason laws are a thing is if somebody has done it. Laws always come in affect after something major has happened. Just like the topic of gun control, it calms done until something horrible happens and then it blows up again. Putting laws on things make people have consequences after they do a horrific action.
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